User talk:Cholmondely

Nuit was built to allow external docking back in 2010, but the game does not yet allow that. If this could be sorted out, we could emulate more scifi scenarios in Oolite - such as the CJ Cherryh novels
Update! This has now been introduced. Thank you, Phkb!

Life in the Frontier really helps bring the stations to life. But every station seems very similar - and has the identical map. I'd love to help develop this, but lack the skills

The SOTL Exploration scenario oxp rejigs the hyperspace/witchspace jumps so that they need skill to accomplish. As Cody has opined, it would be nice to add this to the game as a non-scenario oxp. It would also impact on trade and travel due to making the jumps much more dangerous (as in Cherryh's books, for example)

• The top half of this page contains my musings about the game. They are not up-to-date (Phkb has fixed many of my issues)
• Then a short reminder for myself of projects needing more work
• The bottom half is a resource for wiki editors

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Musings about Oolite: What I would like to see changed

By in large I am extremely happy with Oolite the way that it is. While I find a number of "faults" in the Vanilla game these are almost all fixed by OXPs. My remaining issues are:

• Oolite only offers 2-dimensional F6 charts with exactly 256 systems in each (thanks to Pleb for working on this one). Ahruman started fixing the 2D thing back in 2011 - 3D galaxy prototype & GG Shinobi's collection of 3D possibilities for an F7F7 screen (2013) And some analysis here: *3D F6 chart screen? (2014)
• Maps of the System: the ability to map the current system one is in usefully and describe where a station or a Rock Hermit is. Or display it on a F7F7 screen. See Alternative compass implementation (2012)
• Pocket solar systems: the inability to travel from one system to another without using a witchspace jump
• Planet, sun & moon surfaces to show on the IFF scanner (Quirum Bombs show up, so why not planet surfaces?)
• The overly-simplified prices/economics system (thanks to Stranger & Phasted for helping improve things)
• The bizarre distance scales (thanks to Redspear for working on sorting this one out!)
• More NPC interaction (family, friends, Academy chums, engineers, lovers etc.)
• More to do outside the ship: Life in the Frontier starts addressing this, but has a long way to go!
• More realistic dockings/launches - including mooring outside the space stations on pylons (as Nuit theoretically offers on the lower struts)
• More control buttons for OXP equipment. For OXP equipment we just have Tab/0/N & ctrl-N to select the equipment; n & b to activate; and the four "controlled" colons to operate MFDs. Personally speaking, I really need another 2 equipment priming buttons and for Autolock & ILS to be made primable rather than automatic and suicidal. Thanks to Milo (see #13) & Phkb for working on this one.
• The ability to add a second player helping run one's ship. See the discussion here (uses for a second monitor) and here (things to do en-route from Witchpoint to Station).

Issues for others

Cody: The day-night terminator line on planets is blocky when clouds are present in the vanilla game. This issue disappears when planet texture oxp's are loaded. This has been true for a decade or so (See here).

OXP's which really change the game

• Phkb's Hermitage. Phkb's Ship Configuration. Phkb's Smugglers. Phkb's Home System. Day's Diplomancy. Redspear's Weapon Laws. Norby's Telescope. The Strangers World suite.

OXP's needing work

Or - what I'd love to do if I had the skills...

Minor Tweaks

• MFD's which need tagging for HUDSelector so that they are remembered in the save files:

Advanced System Data MFD (Strangers World)

Station Dock Control MFD

Ship's Library MFD

Major Work

• Diplomancy needs sorting out: generates massively long lists of peace treaties between just two states... This oxp has a lot of potential - it would give depth to wars

Done! Thank you, Phkb!

• Strangers World moves the stations from Commies, Taxi Galactica, etc to bizarre locations. But not HIMSN's stations.

Partially done! Thank you, Alnivel! (done at the expense of disabling the dynamic orbits)

Done! Thank you, Phkb!

• SW Economy mislabels mining worlds as agricultural and their markets are identical to those, the only difference being in quantities for sale. It would be super to see this sorted out.
• Real-Life Economics (prices move as you watch) is faulty - the dynamic price changes tend towards zero. And there are no changes in quantities.
• Gsagostinho's station experiments here: unfinished - need texturing.
• Cloud City OXP - (for gas giant planets) - needs finishing & updated textures

Retexturing

There are a number of golden oldies which could really do with new textures matching the current "Griffified" game:

• Lave OXP - Murgh has produced a new version with RELOP textures (part of his Iron Ass OXP suite), but this could really do with a PROHIP version too!

Done! Thank you, Phkb!

• Commies is starting to look dated. GearsNSuch was working on some new models back in 2019-20. See here. The stations still need doing.

It would also be super to add in more possibilities of helping escaped convicts in Mining Pods - by communicating with them (Broadcast Comms) and then either scooping them up (if they are feasibly scoopable), opening a wormhhole for them, or some other means. See Refugee Adder for broadcastcomms ideas, and see Illegal Goods Tweak for possible future rewards.

• Dictators OXP could do with the missing AstroFarm added in with its own market and slightly different texture

Done! Thank you, Phkb!

• Galactic Navy OXP - mostly done, but the Navy Destroyer and the Stations could do with some TLC. See my whinging/musings here
• This will inevitably also be true of a number of the Missions OXPs (Ionics, Long Way Round, etc.) and of the Ships OXPs.

Lots of work

• Life in the Frontier (fleshes out stations) needs adding to in order to create more differences between the various stations. This oxp has a lot of potential
• Hotrods OXP - (gangs) there is only the one real "gang". It would be super to see the others added and gang warfare between them. And a sensible link between the gangs and the vanilla pirates. Also needs new textures.
• Refugee Adder - (fleeing refugees) Murgh is hopefully still updating this (2022) but the dialogue & AI to get it to follow your ship needs creating.
• Hathor Trade Station - beautiful! Just beautiful! But needs finishing (markets etc.) Update: This is almost done.
• Colonization - (hollow space station activity) needs texturing and a reason for its existence if the original activity is not created
• New Deal - (4-polar trade model) needs doing!
• Montana's Monumentally Murderous Modification (War!) - he's hopefully still working on this (2022)
• Galactic Misjump OXP: needs inspiration (what might happen?) and coding

Missions

• Amber Moon Chronicles - (aliens!) needs finishing
• Svengali's missions: Vector & Localhero OXP need updating
• The Collector - needs more missions

Political Systems

Thinking about Commies & Dictators - and the peculiarities of G4 (only 4 political regimes).

• Commies: I'm presuming that the recent spread of the Commies systems has been achieved through political skulduggery rather than military might. As GalCop deteriorates, the Commies systems would build up their Navies and start including capital ships. As deterioration increased, in-game, they would start using them to invade their neighbours.

- Think (in G1) of Inonri & Vetitice - and then of Usanat and Entizadi. And of Digebiti & Geerra sandwiched in-between. Diplomancy puts Digebiti and Geerra at war with each other. Imagine a strong communist party in the Democracy of Geerra and think about what might happen! Geerra electing a communist government and then allying with I, V, U & E to invade Digebiti and then take over the rest of the region of G1 (the anarchy of Sotiqu is weak, the multi-gov of Rateedar may well include a communist country or two, etc.).

It would be nice to include a Comoonin which actually does something! And which has visible bases on the maps (even if just PlanetFall sites!).

It would be nice to add the ability to rescue those poor Mining Pod prisoners in some way

How about adding Commie bases (Rock Hermits, Astrogulags, etc) in some Anarchies, Multi-Govs & Confederacies?

• Dictatorships: presumably the Juntas are fiercely independant dictatorships which ally together against other political groups. But the Imperialists? Is each Empire independent or are they under the one thumb like the Commies could be? Presuming the later (more interesting) then they too could be spreading their wings like the Commies and trying to take over other systems. To do this would require an Emperor (a Duval?!) with a named capital. And they would be weaker than the Commies - no presence in G4 (unless they had countries in some of the Multi-Govs), and only half of the Dictatorship systems (which are slightly weaker than the Commies are).

Done!

• Useful MFDs needed sorting out (Solar Wind Flux gauge was faulty, and the .oxp itself generated too much rubbish).

DONE! Thank you, Dybal!

• I'd dearly love to see the spiderweb jump sequence from BGS v.1.10.9 added in as an option to the newer BGS.

DONE! Thank you, Tsoj!

• Mining OXP - needs debugging (whizzing asteroids emitting sparks which are undockable with)

DONE! Thank you Timer!

• Cataclysm OXP did not work with modern versions of Oolite

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

• Tianve OXP looked utterly unreal and was broken to boot

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

• Globe station looked quite horrendous

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

• Feudal States had unrealistic wager payouts and the textures were clunky as bally heck

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

• Taranis OXP's station looked utterly unreal

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

• New Cargoes did not work with Smugglers

DONE! Thank you Phkb!

Accolade for A_C

I doubt that Oolite would still be here without Another commander. He first got involved in the Ahruman era, and painstakingly worked with him to make the game properly compatible with Javascript, enabling the depth of modification we enjoy today. But he kept on helping out, and after Ahruman and then Cim stepped down found himself at the helm of the ship with everybody else fleeing to jump onto the E:D juggernaut. He persevered, refusing the title of Lead Designer, but improving this and then that and co-opting other in to keep the ship sailing. Focusing on graphics he has steadfastly improved first this and then that - just look at how much more is possible now than in the early days.

Paean to Phkb

I just want to point out what an absolutely superb chap Phkb is. Not only is he incredibly helpful to those who have problems with this, that and the other (often bending over backwards to help them out), not only is he incredibly knowledgeable about so many of the facets of the programming of this game, but he has taken it upon himself to sort out general issues and problems. •He has stepped in and sorted out the problems with

Feudal States (legacy scripting & too high payouts for duelling wagers)

New Cargoes (problems with not being converted to the new market programming in Oolite v.1.82)

Fixing up Tianve - and creating a much more impressive pulsar as well as a putative Black Hole

Updating old, poor textures (Globe station, Kiota Stations, Dictators OXP, Taranis)

Updating classic missions (Long Way Round, Love Cats, etc.), making some gems available again after a decade or so of obsolescence (Cataclysm OXP)

•Creating new oxps which really add to the game: Bounty System, BroadcastComms MFD, Death Comms, Email System, GalCop Missions, Home System, Risky Business, Ship Configuration, Smugglers - The Galactic Underworld and his "new game", Hermitage. •And this ignores his work on the vanilla game code where he has fixed several issues and made the game much more accessible for those using foreign keyboards

For Me: List of my Wiki (WIP) pages under construction

• Immersion
• Realism
• Ethics
• Guide to HUDs - badly stuck with this one - know what I want to do, but no idea as to how to make it work!
• Mission screen - how to do it

Other WIP pages

• Gameplay and Balance Indicator
• Various Ulite pages
• Create Autopause OXP page with REWInd Inc. Time manipulating devices (2017) linked
• Create Gravitation OXP page for Tch's expansion if I can ever figure it out!

Ideas

Inspired by PAGroove's Famous Structures OXP concept, I think that it would be an idea to create first wiki categories and eventually meta-OXPs for the Eight galaxies.

G2: Ionics, the Isis Interstellar station,

G3: Aquatics, Curse of the Black Sunspot, To Catch A Thargoid (TCAT), Shrews Rights (Skrounk All-Stars Limited?, Benulobiweed?)

G4: Deposed mission, Love Cats mission, Trident Down, Stealth (Xeceesian Shipyards?)

G5: Coyote's Run (+ Green Knights of Lago), Resistance Commander, Xeptatl's Sword, HIMSN (Koneko Industries?, Starship Design Works?)

G6: Draven OXP

G7: The Assassins Guild, Victim 11, Marett Space Corporation,

G8: Iron Raven

Question Marks signify an old OXP merely adding in ships but with dated models/textures

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Cholly's Library of formatting bits & bobs

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The Sun is pretty big.<ref>E. Miller, The Sun, (New York: Academic Press, 2005), 23–25.</ref> The Moon, however, is not so big.<ref>R. Smith, "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 46 (April 1978): 44–46.</ref>

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Asp-X
Size (W×H×L)	138 m×32 m×127 m
Cargo capacity	N/A
Cargo bay extension	N/A
Maximum speed	0.42 LM
Manoeuvrability	Pitch: 1.00 Roll: 2.00 Yaw: 1.00 Thrust: 50
Energy banks	6
Energy recharge rate	Good (4.00)
Gun mounts	Fore: 1x
Missile slots	2
Shield boosters available	Yes
Military shields available	Yes
Hyperspace capable	Yes
OXP or standard	OXP
Available to player	Yes
Base price	425,000 Cr

Overview

A strong and powerful heavy interceptor, based on the design of the first generation of the Asp Mark II Special. Substantially larger than the standard Asp Mark II, with a higher maximum speed, more energy banks and 2 pylons. It is purely a fighting ship, having no cargo capacity.

The Asp-X was licensed for civilian use and, although a rare sight, these ships could be encountered occasionally. They are favored by hunters and assassins and, inevitably, also by pirates and brigands.

History

Some 25 years ago, Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy decided to sponsor a design competition to stimulate development and to give shipyards a platform to showcase what they could do. Known as the 'X-ships Challenge', the brief was to design either a light, medium or heavy Interceptor. Zorgon Petterson Group used the blueprints of the first generation Asp Mark II Special to create the Asp-X and won in the category heavy Interceptor.

The Navy Asp-X

In the belief that a well-armed civilian population was the best defense against the Thargoids, HIMSN offered the plans to build these ships for general sale. GalCop was initially very concerned about this, having serious misgivings about military ships being made available on the civilian market, but as similar ships to these already existed they decided to agree to the release of the plans.

Variants

During the second major reorganization of the Galactic Navy it was decided to commission Asp-X once again. Using the latest technology, the Navy Asp-X was designed, a major upgrade with a very deadly ship as result.

The Asp-X is larger than most people expect, here is a comparison of an Asp Mark II, an Asp-X and an Anaconda

Download

• The original Asp-X, from Aegidian's X-Ships (2005)
• The Classic X-ships OXZ (2015)

Credits

• Aegidian (original OXP and that Oolite actually exists)
• Smivs (Classic X-ships remake)

Requirements

A graphic card supporting shaders will enhance the quality although this is not essential.

License

This work is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution Non Commercial Share Alike 3.0 International (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0). To view a copy of this license visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0.

Links

• Zorgon Petterson Group (manufacturer)
• Asp Mark II (The standard model, a fearsome fighting ship.)
• Asp Explorer (A scout ship with some cargo space. Originally produced by Zorgon Petterson Group this craft is today offered under license from SoloTek Industries.)
• Asp Mark II Special (2 generations had been build. The first was later used to design the Asp-X, the second is a smaller but still deadly Asp Mark II.)
• Navy Asp Mark II (An Asp specially designed for the Galactic Navy. While the first generation wasn't able to live up to the expectations, the second (based on the Asp Mark II Special) is still serving in several navies.)

Developed as a light Interceptor for Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy the Cobra2-X is a development of the (later abandoned) Cobra Mk II prototype. It is an effective light fighter/interceptor popular with Assassins and Hunters. The Cobra2-C derivative is intended as a courier ship (hence the 'C' designation) and its small hold also allows fitment of a Passenger Berth making it ideal for use as a taxi. The Cobra2-C is slower than the X-ship version but has up-graded equipment options and a Hyperdrive.

Sidewinder-X
Size (metres, W×H×L)	138 x 32 x 125
Cargo capacity	0 TC
Cargo bay extension	N/A
Maximum speed	0.370 LM
Manoeuvrability	Roll: 3.0 Pitch: 1.65
Energy banks	3
Energy recharge rate	Poor (2.0)
Gun mounts	Fore
Missile slots	None
Shield boosters available	Yes
Military shields available	No
Hyperspace capable	Yes
OXP or standard	OXP
Available to player	Yes
Base price	105,000₢

The Sidewinder-X was developed as a medium Interceptor for Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy and it is an evolution of the Sidewinder Scout Ship, similar in specification and performance.

It is however considerably larger than its predecessor, and the increase in size means that it has slightly increased maximum speed and improved maneuverability over the scoutship. The Sidewinder-X also has upgraded equipment options and a hyperdrive.

Downloads

The ship is featured in three OXPs:

• Aegidian's X-Ships OXP by Aegidian (2005)
• Classic X-ships OXZ by Smivs (2015)
• Iron Ass Vol.3, dark metal retro version (2022)

Gallery

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  Smivs' Sidewinder-X

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  Iron Ass Sidewinder X

See also

• Sidewinder (Oolite)

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Live long and prosper, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet! —THE PHOENIX {Talk to me!} 01:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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Wine Cooler OXP
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I don't really see the need for a timeline or a backstory. The way things are is just the way things are; I don't need to know where Earth is, or how human beings got from there (if they did) to where they are now. For me, a large part of the appeal of the game is its vagueness. It's as close to a blank slate as we can get, and it's built to be modded all over the shop to everyone's individual preferences. Too much backstory just gets in the way.

(Disembodied)

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Various Galleries

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  Iron Ass Sidewinder X

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  Pirates
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  Taranis Corporation Security

Bulk Hauler

Long Range Cruiser

Lynx Bulk Carrier

Super Bulk Hauler

Knotty's natty gallery

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List of HUDs

1 Aad HUD 2 Another HUD 3 CB-HUD 4 ChupacabraHUD 5 Coluber HUD CH01 6 CombatHUD 7 Compact HUD 8 CRR-HUD 9 Dangerous HUD 10 DeeperSpace HUD 11 Deepspace HUD 12 Deepspace Retro HUD 13 Dr HUD 14 ExtraLarge HUD 15 Fighter HUD 16 G-HUD 17 Isis HUD 18 KeeperHUD 19 Klepto HUD 20 Large HUD 21 Medusa HUD 22 Mega Walnut Dash HUD 23 MilHUD 4000 24 MilHUD (Military Specification HUD) 25 MillHUD Refit 26 Mod HUD 27 Nova Lux HUD 28 Numeric Style HUDs 29 OrangED HUD 30 Pie Chart Style HUDs 31 Small HUD 32 Smart HUD 33 Sniper Camera System HUD 34 Steampunk HUD 35 SW (CAI/DAI) HUD 36 Trek HUD 37 Venom Cockpit HUD 38 Vimana HUD 39 Wide-Screen HUD 40 Wolfwood HUD 41 Xenon HUD 42 Yet Another HUD 43 Z-GrOovY MiLHUD

Considerations

Date Author Actual speed shown? Actual Torus speed shown? Different HUDs for different green/yellow/red conditions/alerts? Range of alerts shown Docked HUD? HUD Selector compatible?

1. of MFDs?

Extras? (eg Vimana HUD's cornucopia of goodies, DeeperSpace's Risk Assessment, Xenon HUD's sights, Dangerous HUD's noises). Precision Joystick Indicator? Glare filter? Glare contrast? (for reading HUD in Glare - cf Xenon HUD) Current Location Display & Current Risk Notifier (Deeper Space HUD) Distance from Compass target? Weapons Bay Missile identifier? (ChupacabraHUD) Extra reticles for other lasers (Xenon) Choice of Colours? (Dangerous HUD & Xenon HUD) Choice of Cockpits? (Dangerous HUD) Natural materials? (Mega Walnut Dash)

Sortable Table

Ship	Max Speed (LM)	Cargo Capacity (TC)	Base Cost (CR)	OXP or Standard	Available to Player	Size (metres, W×H×L)	Cubic Meters
Firefly	0.755	35	775k	OXP	Yes	12 x 11 x 22	2904
Dragster Mk II	0.610	0	570k	OXP	Yes	33 x 9 x 83	24,651
Dragster Mk I	0.601	0	560k	OXP	Yes	33 x 9 x 83	24,651
Constrictor	0.60	15	N/A	Standard	No	54 × 10 × 60	32,400
A-Wing	0.60	0	570k	OXP	Yes	79 × 48 × 122	462,624
Fer de Lance NG	0.60	2	585k	OXP	Yes	45 × 20 × 85	76,500
Generation Ship	0.60	0	N/A	OXP	No	6413 x 6416 x 30277	1,245,771,628,816
Kestrel	0.555	8	675k	OXP	Yes	13 x 3 x 12	468

Future wiki work

New Region Page The Lizard's Claw

Need to sort out what on earth the "|XPosRel=13|YPosRel=61" is all about for the map!

See Light year distance calculation - especially Phantorgorth's key comment

Heh! This was sorted out for us by Alnivel!

Add in Exposure/Gamma Correction for Oolite v.1.91/2

When the details are added to the wiki, this needs to be linked to it:

Link with pretty pictures

Add in limits of Oolite game

On the BB is a thread with my list of 6 derived from Phkb's response and with an a_c comment: https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=275434#p275434

• Boarding abandoned ships? 2012

Comms

Hey-

I have a problem. I'm locked out of my BB account. I tried changing my listed e-mail since it's no longer active. That rendered my BB acct inactive (it sent a registration e-mail to my long-dead e-mail). Could you check with Cody or someone to see if anything can be done?

Massively Locked (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

BTW, feel free to delete this section. This is a lovely page & I'd hate to spoil it because I tripped over my own shoelaces.

Massively Locked (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)