Talk:Branding

Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts etc. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of Oolite branding development and progression?

Example: Oolite (progress) LiveJournal Userpic 2004apr07tue - ??? (proof of start-date)

My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the Oolite wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.

Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the Great Deletion.

Thanks for your consideration of this request.

--User2357 (talk) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thy eminence,

Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.

But. If you look at the pages with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: File:Oolite-logo3.png & File:Oolite-logo2.png.

Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.

I beg, sir, to remain yours etc.,

Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.

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If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?

Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official Oolite logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?

Also, on the Dizzy's Oolite Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less "official", and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the Oolite comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official Oolite website.

What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the Elite insignia designed by Philip Castle ([1]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the Oolite bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official Oolite.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.

Attempting to preserve a file for every single Oolite logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But official logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)

I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. etc. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)

--User2357 (talk) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.

How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I wouldn't know.

Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?

--User2357 (talk) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Our past wiki-wizards were Winston (who set this up as the "Elite Wiki" back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive Main Page - and who still pays for it) and Maik. Both are programmers and both understand it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.

Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the "name-space" (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.

Use of dates on history-tab pages
I presume that (on the logo's "file:" page) clicking on the old date gives you the old logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.

Notice the use of brackets in linking.

Single brackets for website pages. Uses a space ( ) to rename
Double brackets for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a pipe (|) to rename.

And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).

Dealing with "Category" pages can be complex.

The Category:Lore page has sub-categories. And a linked Lore wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. If you examine the "Category" tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.

Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-> :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.

You might find it helpful to browse the list of categories and try and make sense of them.

Debresser seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.

The point of these pages seems to be "easy" indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).

Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the Elite Wiki, rename the highest-resolution version to "Oolite-logo4.png", re-upload it, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to Oolite-logo2.png and Oolite-logo3.png in the entire Elite Wiki -- on all of five other hyperlinking wikipages. ;) (Only the highest-resolution version is required, since the Elite Wiki apparently has the capability to scale images.)

Pages that link to Oolite-logo2.png

Pages that link to Oolite-logo3.png

Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)

(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )

--User2357 (talk) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The file-delete option that I thought I saw previously, apparently is not available to me (anymore?)... There goes my perfect plan in the pants! :/

This was now discovered after uploading a new version of one of the logo-image files I had uploaded recently, and the new version of the image NOT being replaced into the location where the file is called... This is frustrating. ...when functionality apparently does not function as it is supposedly supposed to. Hm. :/

--User2357 (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

You need to speak with Maik (if he has any spare time) about deletion - he understands how it works, and understands rather more about how this wiki works than I do. I'm unhappy to delete something when I don't understand what the consequences are - and I don't. Look what happened when Hiran started deleting stuff on GitHub a couple of months ago - and he's a professional programmer! (https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21457)

Cholmondeley 08:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Nah. I don't think I'll bother Maik.

The interface is less than what is optimal for all our spare times, at the moment.

Been looking at fandom.com a bit... Not sure if their copyleft policy clashes with any Oolite licensing, though.

On the other hand, (1) the Elite Wiki is here at alioth.net already (thanks to Dylan Smith); (2) migrating it... huge job, methinks; (3) not sure exactly why the grass seems greener on the other side, but it might be, as is usual, because of more plentiful manure... :/

I guess what I'm saying, is: should the alioth.net Elite Wiki ever become borked beyond all practicality anymore, fandom.com might be an alternative that could be considered. In the meanwhile, let's keep what we know we've got.

--User2357 (talk) 13:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)