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== Debate about the Future Development of Oolite ==
 
== Debate about the Future Development of Oolite ==
  
In essence, does one carry on slowly changing Oolite (2.0) whilst maintaining continuity with [[Classic Elite]]
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In essence, does one carry on slowly changing Oolite (''ie'' '''Oolite 2.0''') whilst maintaining continuity with [[Classic Elite]]
  
 
''or''  
 
''or''  
  
does one perform a quantum leap and create a totally new game to conform to modern space-game capabilities & stereotypes (Oolite II)?
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does one perform a quantum leap and create a totally new game to conform to modern space-game capabilities & stereotypes ('''Oolite II''')?
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''This does, of course, depend on having enough people with the necessary skills, time, ability and enthusiasm to do either of these!''
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== Historical Perspective ==
 
== Historical Perspective ==
  
One of the running issues since the early days of Oolite was maintaining similarity with [[Classic Elite]]. Thus, Aegidian's work focused on rewriting Classic Elite for the AppleMac where his [[Vanilla game|Strict Game]] was a very close resemblance to Elite. His opening up the game code through oxp's allowed variation - but most people who downloaded Oolite at the time had come from playing Elite a decade or more earlier. Many had also tried [[Frontier]]/[[FFE]] and had differing views towards them (brilliantly scientific! ... wonderful gaming ideas! ... lousy gameplay! ... buggy as heck!).
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One of the running issues since the early days of Oolite was maintaining similarity with [[Classic Elite]]. Thus, Aegidian's work focused on rewriting Classic Elite for the AppleMac where his [[Vanilla game|Strict Game]] was a very close resemblance to Elite. His opening up the game code through oxp's allowed variation - but most people who downloaded Oolite at the time had come from playing Elite a decade or more earlier. Many had also tried [[Frontier]]/[[FFE]] and had differing views towards them (brilliantly scientific! ... wonderful gaming ideas! ... lousy gameplay! ... buggy as bally heck!).
  
 
As time went on, a growing minority of people with no background of playing Elite got involved. For them, retaining the connection with Elite was less vital.  
 
As time went on, a growing minority of people with no background of playing Elite got involved. For them, retaining the connection with Elite was less vital.  
  
Thus debates sprang up about retaining the [[Energy Bomb]], for example. Elite was player-centred, but Oolite is not. The energy bomb was much loved by the Classic Elite players, but seen as utterly player-centred (the player is always unhurt by it - unlike the [[Quirium Cascade Mine]] which replaced it). See the essay on player-centric gaming in [[Cheating]] for more detail.
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Thus debates sprang up about retaining the [[Energy Bomb]], for example. Elite was player-centred, but Oolite is not. The energy bomb was much loved by the Classic Elite players, but seen as utterly player-centred (the player is always unhurt by it - unlike the [[Quirium Cascade Mine]] which eventually replaced it in Oolite). See the essay on player-centric gaming in [[Cheating]] for more detail (if you feel that you can stomach it!).
  
Other areas where tension can be seen are many. Take approaches to trading. Classic Elite's primitive model has been surpassed by modern games. It was written for a 8-bit 42 KB computer - and helped create a compulsive game back in the 1980s. But if one was never hooked on playing Elite it is not so good. See the critique in [[Economics]]. Oolite being so alterable has preserved its relevance to the non-Elite newcomer - one can easily download a range of OXPs which counteract each of the various perceived deficiencies in the game. But one must spend time and effort mastering the [[Vanilla game]] and the hundreds of OXPs to do this. Not all will.
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Other areas where tension can be seen are many. Take approaches to trading. Classic Elite's primitive model has been surpassed by modern games. It was written for a 8-bit 42 KB computer - and helped create a compulsive game back in the 1980s. But if one was never hooked on playing Elite it is not so good. See the critique in [[Economics]]. Oolite being so alterable has preserved its relevance to the non-Elite newcomer - one can easily download a range of OXPs which counteract each of the various perceived deficiencies in the game. But one must spend time and effort mastering the [[Vanilla game]] ''and also'' spend time and effort learning about the hundreds of OXPs to do this. Not all will.  
  
 
Hence the impulse to rewrite the game from scratch as Oolite II.
 
Hence the impulse to rewrite the game from scratch as Oolite II.
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=== Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards ===
 
=== Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards ===
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18290 Oolite 2.0 or II] (2016/7)
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*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18290 Oolite 2.0 or II] (2016/7)
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10265 Dream Weapon (No, I'm not proposing another OXP here)] (2011)
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*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10265 Dream Weapon (No, I'm not proposing another OXP here)] (2011)
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10995 Future plans for Oolite 1.x] (2011) - starts with summary of lower thread
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*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10995 Future plans for Oolite 1.x] (2011) - starts with summary of lower thread
*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9440 Looking Ahead] (2011) by Jens Ayton (you need to read past Jens' resignation at the start! Topics include £D charts for the F6 page, the importance of v.1.7, geography and the 7ly maximum jump, ''etc''. It is interesting to see how many of suggestions have been answered by OXPs.
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*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9440 Looking Ahead] (2011) by Jens Ayton (you need to read past Jens' resignation at the start! Topics include 3-D charts for the F6 page, the importance of v.1.7, geography and the 7ly maximum jump, ''etc''. It is interesting to see how many of suggestions have since led to the creation of OXPs.
*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9501 Oolite 2: ship balance, starting conditions and death knells] Split from the above (2011)
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*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9501 Oolite 2: ship balance, starting conditions and death knells] Split from the above (2011)
  
 
And see [[User:Cim|Cim]]'s listed threads.
 
And see [[User:Cim|Cim]]'s listed threads.
  
But! See this: *[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17599 I'm still alive!!]] (2015) - details of [[User:CommonSenseOTB|CommonSenseOTB]]'s 2 years of work on Oolite 2.0 for v1.77
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But! See this: [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17599 I'm still alive!!]] (2015) - details of [[User:CommonSenseOTB|CommonSenseOTB]]'s 2 years of work on v1.77, creating his very own Oolite 2.0!
  
 
[[Category:Oolite]]
 
[[Category:Oolite]]
 
[[Category:Factual]]
 
[[Category:Factual]]
 
[[Category:Concepts]]
 
[[Category:Concepts]]

Latest revision as of 02:18, 29 February 2024

Debate about the Future Development of Oolite

In essence, does one carry on slowly changing Oolite (ie Oolite 2.0) whilst maintaining continuity with Classic Elite

or

does one perform a quantum leap and create a totally new game to conform to modern space-game capabilities & stereotypes (Oolite II)?

This does, of course, depend on having enough people with the necessary skills, time, ability and enthusiasm to do either of these!


Historical Perspective

One of the running issues since the early days of Oolite was maintaining similarity with Classic Elite. Thus, Aegidian's work focused on rewriting Classic Elite for the AppleMac where his Strict Game was a very close resemblance to Elite. His opening up the game code through oxp's allowed variation - but most people who downloaded Oolite at the time had come from playing Elite a decade or more earlier. Many had also tried Frontier/FFE and had differing views towards them (brilliantly scientific! ... wonderful gaming ideas! ... lousy gameplay! ... buggy as bally heck!).

As time went on, a growing minority of people with no background of playing Elite got involved. For them, retaining the connection with Elite was less vital.

Thus debates sprang up about retaining the Energy Bomb, for example. Elite was player-centred, but Oolite is not. The energy bomb was much loved by the Classic Elite players, but seen as utterly player-centred (the player is always unhurt by it - unlike the Quirium Cascade Mine which eventually replaced it in Oolite). See the essay on player-centric gaming in Cheating for more detail (if you feel that you can stomach it!).

Other areas where tension can be seen are many. Take approaches to trading. Classic Elite's primitive model has been surpassed by modern games. It was written for a 8-bit 42 KB computer - and helped create a compulsive game back in the 1980s. But if one was never hooked on playing Elite it is not so good. See the critique in Economics. Oolite being so alterable has preserved its relevance to the non-Elite newcomer - one can easily download a range of OXPs which counteract each of the various perceived deficiencies in the game. But one must spend time and effort mastering the Vanilla game and also spend time and effort learning about the hundreds of OXPs to do this. Not all will.

Hence the impulse to rewrite the game from scratch as Oolite II.

Links

Oolite - you might find the A little History & some important early Versions section useful for giving some context to the above.

Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards

And see Cim's listed threads.

But! See this: I'm still alive!!] (2015) - details of CommonSenseOTB's 2 years of work on v1.77, creating his very own Oolite 2.0!