Talk:Sector1/The Devil's Triangle (Region)

The name

It's a bit painful. I can't help feeling that it is meant to be The Devil's Triangle. Of course if it is a triangle of many devils, I yearn for a confirmation that this is intentional. OLDMURGH ^talk 07:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Might be from coding, I am not sure if Devil's is accepted by a Mac, even as text variable. Btw I intend to add some background story to this region, starting with the inhabitants today.

Montana05 2022-02-03, 17:14

Since I haven't encountered it in the game, am I to understand it appears as Devil's in WINDOWS and Devils in MAC? I thought this was just maybe a sloppy wiki entry. OLDMURGH ^talk 17:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hod on, if the source doesn't go any deeper than this, the Vector Map, then of course it reads correctly on this map. The culprit is the sloppy wiki entry by Treczoks. Moving and be done with it. OLDMURGH ^talk 18:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Had a search on the BB and found nothing about the name. I posted a query for Cmdr Cheyd who might be able to answer (he drops in occasionally).

Artists' credit

Montana - do we need to worry ourselves into a psychotic state about being sued by the creators of these pictures of yours? Where do they come from? I'm sure its a needless worry (free game, etc., etc., ...) but...

Do Murgh and I need to sell everything we own and leg it out east to join you in the Devil's Triangle?

Cholmondeley 10:37, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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Most of the pictures are from free to use webpages, tweaked and merged together. 1 picture {Edzaon} I am not sure about the source, I will do some research before I publish it.

Montana05 2022-02-03, 18:51

--- If it's just the one, I'm not too concerned. It's more a matter when you have put up pictures for all 2500 systems! That's when I'll buy the ticket...

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PNGWING Non-commercial use, DMCA. Last one free to use as well. Don't expect pictures for every single planet, while I might add several species for a single planet (multicultural) I only intend to edit systems an OXP I am working on is touching. Edzaon, partner of the Devil's Triangle, inhabited by lobstoids and human knights.

While the Devil's Triangle could be fun, I doubt that you will need a ticket soon.

Montana05 2022-02-03, 20:03

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It would be a good good-faith move to add the license you found and any eventual artist's credit you find below the relevant image files. It might go go a long way in being tolerated by the rights holders. OLDMURGH ^talk 17:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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That will need some preparation because I need to find all pages again. However, adding credits is just fair for the artists. Montana05 2022-02-04, 08:36

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Just found this disclaimer for my lobstoid: The art is borrowed from various sources on the Internet. If you are the artist of a work and would like credit or to have the art removed, please contact us immediately. Crabmen (Yurian). Would this be sufficient for the wiki as well ? Montana05 2022-02-04, 09:10

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Yes, I think that seems a good intentions move. OLDMURGH ^talk 17:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Disclaimer, links and, if available, artist and license are now available on every page and, thanks to Cholmondeley, are also included in the pictures.

Currently, the Devil's Triangle square of influence includes the 3 basic systems, Edzaon‎ (mercenaries) and Ququor as "legit" market and banking place. I think I will add Esgerean as a drug producer as well. Any other system which would make sense ? Montana05 2022-02-05, 07:34

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That seems decent for the artists,

and reasonable about the roles those other affiliate systems. I do get hung up about poor Ininbi, given no other access path to other worlds except for through this bottleneck from hell. How would such a world turn out and what use would it serve for the surrounding vile systems for them to mostly leave it as is? OLDMURGH ^talk 01:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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Good point, I forgot about Ininbi. With a techlevel of 10 and an easy way to secure, it could be an industrial hub for advanced productions. Once again, some or all states controlled by groups from the Devil's Triangle. Montana05 2022-02-05, 08:23

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Esgerean and Ininbi added. Now there are 7 systems either controlled or partnered with the Devil's Triangle, I think this is sufficient. Time to work on more details and, if one of you gentlemen got time, to tweak my rather clumsy descriptions. :D Montana05 2022-02-05, 13:59

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Content

This page could do with some content.
1) Why is it called the "Devil's Triangle"? Just because it consists of 3 anarchies inside a cleverly drawn triangle which excludes the fourth system Ininbi which is a confederate state (also human, but much richer)? Why exclude Ininbi? And why "Devil" rather than Demon, dratted or damned? And whose Devil? CGC's? Witchspace Lobster's? Randomius Factoria's? Church of the Holy Witchspace Guard?
2) Is there any history to the Devil's Triangle?
3) And why a region? Just three insignificant systems... in an entire massive zone of Galaxy 1 - which is not a region itself. But this miniscule triangle is!
4) Why are these three systems anarchies? Is it a common cause?

Cholmondeley 01:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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The lore goes that in the past, the systems of the Devil's Triangle were ruled by a powerful leader. After his death, a terrible civil war broke out, all fractions seeking to take over his position. After decades, only anarchies were left.

Today, the region is run by criminal organizations, having large influence in neighboring systems. You probably could call it a region of influence rather than geographies.

While the original name is long forgotten, this nightmare to GalCop security forces became known as the Devil's Triangle.

First draft, improvements welcome. ;) Montana05 2022-02-04, 08:49

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Yes, the answers to these questions ought to complete a juicy synopsis of how this peripheral zone came to its ominous reputation. I'm just speculating but I would think it would be a practical devil rather than one of spiritual origins, a demagogue who printed his mark on the planetary neighbourhood lingering on several generations after his passing.

In a once sleepy edge region of little remark but with consistent presence of law and order, the charismatic and creatively cruel pirate lord Shasta "The Cheesemonger", saddled with an unquenchable appetite for power and cheese, grew to accrue such a strength that he was able to wage war on these ill-prepared planetary governments and toppled them one by one. Ininbi escaped this fate when its leaders rushed to declare their subservient neutrality, and during Shasta's thirty year long reign of smelly cruelty, they never once complained. As a strategic stronghold was established, GalCop saw no economic upside to moving in and decided to ignore this peripheral nuisance, checked off as lost to barbarism.

No successor was able to fill Shasta's boots and maintain his empire united as minor warlords fought for their turf, but the lawlessness was by then so deeply rooted and the entire region permanently fixed as a pirate's hub and haven. Few still living have any memory of this epoch, but Shasta lives on in folksy sayings like "May the stinky one take you!" and "The devil is in the cheese", incidentally a produce that is still widely rendered with great variation in the region, and a well-known and desired connoisseur's commodity for those brave enough to seek it out.

That could be what happened. OLDMURGH ^talk 02:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)