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''There are at least two problems.''
 
''There are at least two problems.''
*Non-English Keyboards
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*Non-English Keyboards  
*Learning to play Oolite
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:This should be made easier for Oolite v.1.92 - [[User:Phkb|Phkb]] has been adding a keyboard configuration screen to the [[Vanilla game]] code.
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*Learning to play Oolite when all displayed information is in English!
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:The various language packs date back to early versions of Oolite and don't work well with the current ones: see [[Oolite#Downloading_Earlier_versions|Downloading Earlier versions]] if you want to go down this route. There are also links on that page for early versions of many oxp's!
  
 
=== Oolite en Français ===
 
=== Oolite en Français ===
 
*[https://app.box.com/s/jblvt5caahth7ap78khv Poovga's translation] (2013) for v.1.77
 
*[https://app.box.com/s/jblvt5caahth7ap78khv Poovga's translation] (2013) for v.1.77
 
* Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=273466#p273466 French] (Gracieuseté du Monsieur le Commandant STyx, 2020).
 
* Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=273466#p273466 French] (Gracieuseté du Monsieur le Commandant STyx, 2020).
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[[File:Deutsche.gif|right|thumb|Old German site]]
 
[[File:Deutsche.gif|right|thumb|Old German site]]
 
=== Oolite auf Deutsch ===
 
=== Oolite auf Deutsch ===
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*[http://app.box.net/shared/1ccuatbsqo Commander McLane's translation] (2010) for v.1.74
 
*[http://app.box.net/shared/1ccuatbsqo Commander McLane's translation] (2010) for v.1.74
 
*Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=278092#p278092 German] ''QWERTZ'' Linux keyboard (Mit reichlichem Gruß an Kommandant Freiherr von Tsoj, 2021).
 
*Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=278092#p278092 German] ''QWERTZ'' Linux keyboard (Mit reichlichem Gruß an Kommandant Freiherr von Tsoj, 2021).
* Keyconfig.plist for [http://bb.aegidian.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21080 German] ''QWERTZ'' Linux keyboard (Genugtuung an den wundersamen und illustren Kommandanten Slartibartfast). This ''might'' work for Windows, too.
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*Keyconfig.plist for [http://bb.aegidian.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21080 German] ''QWERTZ'' Linux keyboard (Genugtuung an den wundersamen und illustren Kommandanten Slartibartfast). This ''might'' work for Windows, too.
  
 
=== Oolite Italiano ===
 
=== Oolite Italiano ===
*[https://www.box.com/s/zfvmmbzbsmuz6kgybttx Another_Commander's translation] (2013) for v.1.77
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*[https://app.box.com/s/zfvmmbzbsmuz6kgybttx Another_Commander's translation] (2013) for v.1.77
 
*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4490 BB Thread] (2008-13)
 
*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4490 BB Thread] (2008-13)
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=== Оолит по-русски  ===
 
=== Оолит по-русски  ===
*Website (mostly 2012): search for "<font color="Red"> Roolite.org </font>" This is the best (and currently only) language site, a partial duplicate of this one, dated, but with a current forum/bulletin board and with Russian translations of old version OXPs such as PlanetFall.
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*Website (mostly 2012): [[Roolite|Roolite.org]]: This is the best (and currently only) non-English site, a partial duplicate of this one, a little dated, but with a current forum/bulletin board and with Russian translations of old version OXPs such as PlanetFall.
 
*There are 2 OXPs - by CatSam (2009) and by RadCapricorn (2009). Roolite states that CatSam did a better job (words don't creep over each other).
 
*There are 2 OXPs - by CatSam (2009) and by RadCapricorn (2009). Roolite states that CatSam did a better job (words don't creep over each other).
 
::[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6073 RadCapricorn's translation & BB thread]  
 
::[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6073 RadCapricorn's translation & BB thread]  
 
::[https://www.elite-games.ru/conference/viewtopic.php?t=48476&start=0 CatSam's translation]
 
::[https://www.elite-games.ru/conference/viewtopic.php?t=48476&start=0 CatSam's translation]
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::Tch has much Russian-language related material in his box: [https://app.box.com/s/dyo1vedrxuyeyum3atci Tch's Box account] (2014 - for v.1.77 and earlier)
 
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_jmI-5u5bZ6YoCLPsSsiURdNwmlYMHH/view?usp=sharing Oolite introduction] in Russian (С обильным и обильным удовлетворением Командира Незнакомца, 2020)
 
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_jmI-5u5bZ6YoCLPsSsiURdNwmlYMHH/view?usp=sharing Oolite introduction] in Russian (С обильным и обильным удовлетворением Командира Незнакомца, 2020)
 
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XC4fs_Xowc_DJLTxKJF4bhrtNRKrjRZ4/view?usp=sharing Mr Gimlet] in Russian (by Stranger, 2020)
 
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XC4fs_Xowc_DJLTxKJF4bhrtNRKrjRZ4/view?usp=sharing Mr Gimlet] in Russian (by Stranger, 2020)
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7363 Roolite] Our BB Thread in English (2010-11)
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*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7363 Roolite] Our BB: Thread in English (2010-11)
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*[https://app.box.com/s/jktx4v631hl5s343d3qn OXP's with Russian translations] (2013)
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*[https://app.box.com/s/xsjaa9mg7x9zo6z4lwpm Documentation in Russian] (2014: Handling OXP conflicts, Making Planet Textures)
  
 
=== Oolite en español  ===
 
=== Oolite en español  ===
 
* Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=273475#p273475 Latin American] (Gracias al Supremo, Serendipitoso y Sereno El Señor Comandante Reval).
 
* Keyconfig.plist for [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=273475#p273475 Latin American] (Gracias al Supremo, Serendipitoso y Sereno El Señor Comandante Reval).
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* [https://github.com/ManuelAMS/oolite-projects Traducción del juego Oolite al castellano (GitHub)] by ManuelAMS (2016, unfinished?)
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=== Language packs: a thought ===
 
=== Language packs: a thought ===
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Fourth, the amount of useful information is, after all, less than the general amount of information.
 
Fourth, the amount of useful information is, after all, less than the general amount of information.
  
Therefore, it seems to me that it makes sense to work with the translation of the documentation, not the interface. For example, on this site, materials translated word by word from an English-language source are not posted, but instead concise, summarized articles about the main thing, with verified content, linking to more complete publications (full of both technical points and all kinds of lyrics). |Source=(Roolite)}}
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Therefore, it seems to me that it makes sense to work with the translation of the documentation, not the interface. For example, on this site, materials translated word by word from an English-language source are not posted, but instead concise, summarized articles about the main thing, with verified content, linking to more complete publications (full of both technical points and all kinds of lyrics). |Source=([[Roolite]])}}
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==== Musings - an addendum to the thought ====
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It is possible that translating Oolite into various languages is not as necessary as it used to be. But I wonder if that holds true for all the OXP's. Especially all those which add immersion through communications - [[Communications Pack A]] & [[Death Comms]]. And also for [[Hints]]. I would have thought that translations of those would make much sense.
  
 
=== Links ===
 
=== Links ===
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:Note that these older versions predate Cim's groundbreaking v.1.80 and that the play will be slightly different
 
:Note that these older versions predate Cim's groundbreaking v.1.80 and that the play will be slightly different
  
[[Category:Help pages]]
 
  
 
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*If you are curious about the radio chatter in the orbital station's aegis (from [[BGS]].oxp) see [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=123311#p123311 here].
 
*If you are curious about the radio chatter in the orbital station's aegis (from [[BGS]].oxp) see [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=123311#p123311 here].
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*To correct Wolfs to Wolves in the planet descriptions, try Phkb's [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=261681#p261681 FixWolfs.oxz]
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== Programming Languages ==
 
== Programming Languages ==
 
There is the language of the code of the [[Vanilla game]], and then there are the languages of the OXPs.
 
There is the language of the code of the [[Vanilla game]], and then there are the languages of the OXPs.
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For OXP languages see [[:Category:Oolite JavaScript Reference]] for newer OXPs & [[Legacy Scripting]] for older OXPs
 
For OXP languages see [[:Category:Oolite JavaScript Reference]] for newer OXPs & [[Legacy Scripting]] for older OXPs
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[[Category:Help pages]] [[Category:Factual]]

Revision as of 11:09, 13 January 2023

Roolite.org

There are four issues here.

  • How to pronounce "Oolite"
  • Non-English languages and the associated difficulties of learning the game
  • Languages in the Ooniverse
  • Programming Languages

Non English languages

There are at least two problems.

  • Non-English Keyboards
This should be made easier for Oolite v.1.92 - Phkb has been adding a keyboard configuration screen to the Vanilla game code.
  • Learning to play Oolite when all displayed information is in English!
The various language packs date back to early versions of Oolite and don't work well with the current ones: see Downloading Earlier versions if you want to go down this route. There are also links on that page for early versions of many oxp's!

Oolite en Français

Old German site

Oolite auf Deutsch

Website seems to have died since 2012...

  • SwissMäc's's translation (2009) for v.1.71.1
  • Commander McLane's translation (2010) for v.1.74
  • Keyconfig.plist for German QWERTZ Linux keyboard (Mit reichlichem Gruß an Kommandant Freiherr von Tsoj, 2021).
  • Keyconfig.plist for German QWERTZ Linux keyboard (Genugtuung an den wundersamen und illustren Kommandanten Slartibartfast). This might work for Windows, too.

Oolite Italiano

Оолит по-русски

  • Website (mostly 2012): Roolite.org: This is the best (and currently only) non-English site, a partial duplicate of this one, a little dated, but with a current forum/bulletin board and with Russian translations of old version OXPs such as PlanetFall.
  • There are 2 OXPs - by CatSam (2009) and by RadCapricorn (2009). Roolite states that CatSam did a better job (words don't creep over each other).
RadCapricorn's translation & BB thread
CatSam's translation
Tch has much Russian-language related material in his box: Tch's Box account (2014 - for v.1.77 and earlier)

Oolite en español


Language packs: a thought

From the Roolite website

First of all, I want to say that I am not a supporter of translating both the game itself and the oxp's into Russian.

Firstly, a localized product always looks flawed, both in content (the naturalness of the textual part laid down by the authors is lost) and in appearance (typography conceived for the Latin alphabet in the Cyrillic version suffers greatly).

Secondly, it is simply unrealistic to process the entire amount of information with high quality and the game will constantly sin of bilingualism.

Third, translations often create confusion in terminology. English names are more succinct and concise. For example, "radioactives" could be translated literally as "radioactive", but the trouble is that such a word has not yet been invented in Russian and there is no reason to invent it yet. Therefore, the translator needs to write something like "radioactive materials". This something does not fit into the geometry invented by the developers. Although, of course, there is always an alternative to indicate simply "uranium" or "plutonium", but all this will only cause controversy and completely unnecessary discrepancies, as mentioned above.

Fourth, the amount of useful information is, after all, less than the general amount of information.

Therefore, it seems to me that it makes sense to work with the translation of the documentation, not the interface. For example, on this site, materials translated word by word from an English-language source are not posted, but instead concise, summarized articles about the main thing, with verified content, linking to more complete publications (full of both technical points and all kinds of lyrics).

(Roolite)

Musings - an addendum to the thought

It is possible that translating Oolite into various languages is not as necessary as it used to be. But I wonder if that holds true for all the OXP's. Especially all those which add immersion through communications - Communications Pack A & Death Comms. And also for Hints. I would have thought that translations of those would make much sense.

Links




Old versions of Oolite for the translation packages above

Note that these older versions predate Cim's groundbreaking v.1.80 and that the play will be slightly different



Languages in the Ooniverse

  • The peculiarities of Thargoid language may be due to faults in the translation.
In terms of keeping things Cannon I’ve handwaved the fact that the GalCop translator clearly cannot translate insectoid communications correctly. This is why Thargoid transmissions appear as meaningless English words such as “Eat Parking Meters” on your coms display. Insect languages use wing positions, movement and pheromones as well as sounds which cannot be translated into text. Your onboard translator therefore translates the names of friendly insect members of the GalCop Union of Worlds into the nearest Ancient Earthian Latin meaning. Latin is chosen as this is a common known language of all human colonials regardless of local dialect for reasons lost in pre-history.
(LittleBear)
  • If you are curious about the radio chatter in the orbital station's aegis (from BGS.oxp) see here.
  • To correct Wolfs to Wolves in the planet descriptions, try Phkb's FixWolfs.oxz

Programming Languages

There is the language of the code of the Vanilla game, and then there are the languages of the OXPs.

For the Vanilla game code languages see the bottom-right corner

For OXP languages see Category:Oolite JavaScript Reference for newer OXPs & Legacy Scripting for older OXPs