Talk:NPB Neutralizer OXZ - Revision history

Reval: Re: Missions - what happens when you kill a ship with any bounty set (even a nominal 1)...

2026-05-14T01:21:31Z

Re: Missions - what happens when you kill a ship with any bounty set (even a nominal 1)...

Reval at 05:22, 13 May 2026

2026-05-13T05:22:13Z

Reval: update on version 1.1 successful solution(s) to 'every weapon a Neutralizer'.

2026-05-13T05:18:50Z

update on version 1.1 successful solution(s) to 'every weapon a Neutralizer'.

Reval at 16:45, 12 May 2026

2026-05-12T16:45:59Z

Reval: missions aspect + impasse...

2026-05-12T15:30:23Z

missions aspect + impasse...

Phkb at 21:50, 11 May 2026

2026-05-11T21:50:59Z

Reval: /* Theory */ correct sequence (with _ions_) reiterated.

2026-05-11T18:21:26Z

‎Theory: correct sequence (with _ions_) reiterated.

Reval: /* Theory */ further response - 'atoms' vs. 'ions'

2026-05-11T18:13:08Z

‎Theory: further response - 'atoms' vs. 'ions'

Reval: Low comparative power of the Neutralizer compared with other lasers... Possibility of fitting Neutralizers to NPC Police...

2026-05-11T17:32:42Z

Low comparative power of the Neutralizer compared with other lasers... Possibility of fitting Neutralizers to NPC Police...

Reval at 16:49, 11 May 2026

2026-05-11T16:49:26Z

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	[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 00:21, 13 May 2026 (EST)		[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 00:21, 13 May 2026 (EST)
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		+	Re: Missions.
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		+	Q. "So it would be better not to have the pilot eject, but simply to keep the crippled/disabled ship's bounty at a nominal 1, and then the kill could be claimed by destroying it completely, if desired or on a mission?"
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		+	A. 'Yes, keeping the crippled ship's bounty at a nominal `1` and allowing it to be destroyed for a full kill is the better approach.
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		+	The search results confirm that in the core game, '''bounty is awarded when a ship is destroyed'''. If a pilot ejects, the resulting derelict does not count as a kill; the player must destroy the escape pod to claim the bounty. By preventing ejection and leaving the ship disabled but intact with its bounty (even if reduced to `1`), you ensure that destroying it will register as a valid kill, granting the player the score, mission credit, and any associated rewards, which aligns with standard game mechanics.'
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		+	This is confirmed by my tests, in which a conventional game-kill is awarded when the disabled ship with bounty=1 is made to explode by continuing to fire the NPB Neutralizer.
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		+	[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 02:21, 14 May 2026 (BST)

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 In a (I think, successful) attempt to solve the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I presented two different options for where the Neutralizer logic fires from: 1. The world Script's '''shipAttackedOther''' ($npbNPCScript=false); 2. The individual NPC NPB ship script's '''shipBeingAttacked''' ($npbNPCScript=true). Both work equally well, with a possible efficiency gain using (1).
-The OXP can now distinguish when the NPB Neutralizer is causing the damage to a victim, as opposed a laser on a different facing.
+The OXP can now distinguish between when the NPB Neutralizer is causing the damage and hits from a laser on a different facing.
-[[User:Reval|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2026 (BST)
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−	I'm not sure if this will help with the missions aspect, but I have switched from completely nullifying the derelict's bounty to making it a nominal 1. This way a conventional 'kill' should be recognized by the game. ~~A second possibility is~~ to ~~delete~~ the 'ship.isDisabled' line, keeping the to-all-intents derelict ship a viable target. Optionally, just go on firing until it explodes.	+	I'm not sure if this will help with the missions aspect, but I have switched from completely nullifying the derelict's bounty to making it a nominal 1. This way a conventional 'kill' should be recognized by the game. I have implemented the option to conditionally leave out the 'ship.isDisabled=true' line, keeping the to-all-intents derelict ship a viable target. Optionally, just go on firing until it explodes.
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		+	In a (I think, successful) attempt to solve the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I presented two different options for where the Neutralizer logic fires from: 1. The world Script's '''shipAttackedOther''' ($npbNPCScript=false); 2. The individual NPC NPB ship script's '''shipBeingAttacked''' ($npbNPCScript=true). Both work equally well, with a possible efficiency gain using (1).
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		+	The OXP can now distinguish when the NPB Neutralizer is causing the damage to a victim, as opposed a laser on a different facing.

−	In an attempt to cover the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I tried shifting the neutralization code into a ship script under shipTakingDamage, after assigning from the world script an npc-npb.js to every ship in the system under shipSpawned. I just tested this and it doesn't work. For some reason populator-spawned ships are not properly registering or acting on the new script. So back to the player ship's shipAttackedOther for now. I can't devise any other ways around this impasse. Can you?

	[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2026 (BST)		[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2026 (BST)

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 I'm not sure if this will help with the missions aspect, but I have switched from completely nullifying the derelict's bounty to making it a nominal 1. This way a conventional 'kill' should be recognized by the game. A second possibility is to delete the 'ship.isDisabled' line, keeping the to-all-intents derelict ship a viable target. Optionally, just go on firing until it explodes.
-In an attempt to cover the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I tried shifting the neutralization code into a ship script under shipTakingDamage, after assigning from the world script an npc-npb.js script to every ship in the system under shipSpawned. I just tested this and it doesn't work. For some reason populator-spawned ships are not properly registering or acting on the new script. So back to the player ship's shipAttackedOther for now. I can't devise any other ways around this impasse. Can you?
+In an attempt to cover the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I tried shifting the neutralization code into a ship script under shipTakingDamage, after assigning from the world script an npc-npb.js to every ship in the system under shipSpawned. I just tested this and it doesn't work. For some reason populator-spawned ships are not properly registering or acting on the new script. So back to the player ship's shipAttackedOther for now. I can't devise any other ways around this impasse. Can you?
 [[User:Reval|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2026 (BST)

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		+	I'm not sure if this will help with the missions aspect, but I have switched from completely nullifying the derelict's bounty to making it a nominal 1. This way a conventional 'kill' should be recognized by the game. A second possibility is to delete the 'ship.isDisabled' line, keeping the to-all-intents derelict ship a viable target. Optionally, just go on firing until it explodes.
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		+	In an attempt to cover the 'every weapon a Neutralizer' issue, I tried shifting the neutralization code into a ship script under shipTakingDamage, after assigning from the world script an npc-npb.js script to every ship in the system under shipSpawned. I just tested this and it doesn't work. For some reason populator-spawned ships are not properly registering or acting on the new script. So back to the player ship's shipAttackedOther for now. I can't devise any other ways around this impasse. Can you?
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		+	[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 16:30, 12 May 2026 (BST)

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		+	Re: Giving weapon to NPC's. The difficulty you face, as with any specialised weapon, is what happens to the player when they're hit by it. Will all the same criteria apply? And how will a player feel if they get a game over screen when they still had 90% of their shields? Will it feel like satisfying gameplay, or a bug? My recommendation is to leave it as a player-only weapon, rather than go down that rabbit hole.
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		+	It's fine for it to be player-only. Just don't suggest the player will be coming up against it by saying it's being retro-fitted on Vipers. Don't say something that isn't true.
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		+	Re: Most players play with a forward weapon only. In my experience, and from what I've read of other players methods, forward and rear lasers are actually quite common. Port and starboard are rarer. As a test, install the Neutralizer in the rear position, install a Military laser in the forward position, and see how the game play feels. One good solid hit by the military laser will quickly be converted into a kill by the Neutraliser, sub 1 second.
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		+	Re: Not being intended for missions. That's fine - but it needs to be stated up front that using this weapon as designed is incompatible with all missions that require ship destruction. See the [[Railgun OXP]] where a similar problem is declared.
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		+	As an aside, it might be worth testing the [[Derelicts don't count OXP]]. Your weapon is doing similar things and it's likely to be incompatible.
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		+	[[User:phkb\|phkb]] 7:52, 12 May 2026 (AEST)

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	But I concede your point that Hydrogen 'atoms' was somewhat inexact and even misleading. I will change it to 'ions'.		But I concede your point that Hydrogen 'atoms' was somewhat inexact and even misleading. I will change it to 'ions'.
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		+	The correct sequence is:
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		+	* Hydrogen atoms are ionized to create negative hydrogen ions (H⁻).
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		+	* These ions are accelerated to near-light speed using a particle accelerator.
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		+	* The accelerated ions are then neutralized (by stripping away the extra electron) to form a beam of neutral hydrogen atoms for firing.
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		+	So, the beam is accelerated as charged '''ions''', not neutral atoms. The neutralization happens after acceleration to allow the beam to travel in a straight line. (clarification via Brave AI Search).


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	Learning the ins-and-outs of this form of potential space weaponry was in fact the inspiration for attempting to code it as an OXP. Even in embryonic 'version 1.0' form, NPB Neutralizer does what an NPB beam would do.		Learning the ins-and-outs of this form of potential space weaponry was in fact the inspiration for attempting to code it as an OXP. Even in embryonic 'version 1.0' form, NPB Neutralizer does what an NPB beam would do.
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		+	But I concede your point that Hydrogen 'atoms' was somewhat inexact and even misleading. I will change it to 'ions'.
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	[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 16:45, 11 May 2026 (BST)		[[User:Reval\|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval\|talk]]) 16:45, 11 May 2026 (BST)

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 First priority is the Clean record - prohibiting installation for Offenders, as included already in Defence Rider Drones (and to be fully fixed for version 1.3).
-Because of their existing unfair advantage, NPCs will never be given this piece of equipment! Not that it would necessarily make _their_ life any easier...
+Because of their existing unfair advantage, NPCs will never be given this piece of equipment! Not that it would necessarily make _their_ life any easier... In fact, it could make their operations more difficult, given the comparatively low hull damage inflicted by the Neutralizer (damage=3, compared to damage=12 for a standard Military Laser.)
 This OXP is not intended for those who play missions - which would vastly complicate coding. Anyway, there is nothing to prevent you from 'keeping on firing' until the derelict explodes (you have already collected any bounty and had your score increased).

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 This OXP is not intended for those who play missions - which would vastly complicate coding. Anyway, there is nothing to prevent you from 'keeping on firing' until the derelict explodes (you have already collected any bounty and had your score increased).
-Most players play with a forward laser. I have never used a Port, Starboard, or rear one. But I suppose something could be worked out to satisfy those rare eccentrics who put beam weapons on all their facings!
+Most players play with a forward laser. I have never used a Port, Starboard, or Rear one. But I suppose something could be worked out to satisfy those rare eccentrics who put beam weapons on all their facings!
 [[User:Reval|Reval]] ([[User talk:Reval|talk]]) 17:42, 11 May 2026 (BST)