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Wildeblood at 15:51, 27 February 2024

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Wildeblood at 15:25, 27 February 2024

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   C: 1) Exploration
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   From Wikipedia.org:
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 ) Missions
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-  Quite a number of the missions have goals other than murdering other ships. Tionisla Reporter (find a planet), Asteroid Storm (save a station), Vanilla game Nova (save people), Long Way Round (passenger delivery), The Galactic Almanac (collect a shrubbery), Trident Down (investigate an attack), etc., etc. What sort of missions would you be wanting?
+  Quite a number of the missions have goals other than murdering other ships. Tionisla Reporter (find a planet), Asteroid Storm (save a station), Vanilla game Nova (save people), Long Way Round (passenger delivery), The Galactic Almanac (collect a shrubbery), Trident Down (investigate an attack), etc., etc. What sort of missions would you be wanting? ''Cholmondeley 10:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)''
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   C: But have you actually ''tried'' it? Discovering my first clutch of asteroids was a good moment! I was already into the Oolite lore. But then I stumbled across SOTL-E, was entranced by the Witchspace jump and carried on. It's the most authentic "Exploration" I've yet come across. There are exploratory challenges (finding stuff), the witchspace jumping is an adventure in itself, ''et cetera.''
-  W: When you say, "exploratory challenges (finding stuff)" what do you mean? Keeping your eyes constantly peeled for energy crystals to gobble up? Or going on quests to collect the six facets of the key to time? Or just visual stuff, like the Tianve nebula? I'm unsure whether you're advocating for scenery, or story, or a reinforcement schedule? (I quite like the structure of the 5 sentences I just wrote, so I hope you can parse them ok.) Oolite isn't a commercial game, so it doesn't have a fast reinforcement schedule of the energy crystal style. The old-timers in the pre-javascript era made scenery, and phkb seems to be contenting himself with methodically updating it all. As for quests, missions in Oolite take the form, go to system x, kill ship x, collect reward x. Sometimes ship x is huge or many, but the basic form remains. There are lots of other forms that could be implemented, but I'm not aware that they have been.
+  W: When you say, "exploratory challenges (finding stuff)" what do you mean? Keeping your eyes constantly peeled for energy crystals to gobble up? Or going on quests to collect the six facets of the key to time? Or just visual stuff, like the Tianve nebula? I'm unsure whether you're advocating for scenery, or story, or a reinforcement schedule? (I quite like the structure of the 5 sentences I just wrote, so I hope you can parse them ok.) Oolite isn't a commercial game, so it doesn't have a fast reinforcement schedule of the energy crystal style. The old-timers in the pre-javascript era made scenery, and phkb seems to be contenting himself with methodically updating it all. As for quests, missions in Oolite take the form, go to system x, kill ship x, collect reward x. Sometimes ship x is huge or many, but the basic form remains. There are lots of other forms that could be implemented, but I'm not aware that they have been. [[User:Wildeblood|Wildeblood]] ([[User talk:Wildeblood|talk]]) 05:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Wildeblood|Wildeblood]] ([[User talk:Wildeblood|talk]]) 05:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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   C: When I went to study at seminary I was given lengthy lectures about how a TV was a sewer outlet into your living room. When I came back home, I realised that it jolly well was. No telly since. And I never heard the pew-pews. But ''why'' "pew-pew"?
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   C: But have you actually ''tried'' it? Discovering my first clutch of asteroids was a good moment! I was already into the Oolite lore. But then I stumbled across SOTL-E, was entranced by the Witchspace jump and carried on. It's the most authentic "Exploration" I've yet come across. There are exploratory challenges (finding stuff), the witchspace jumping is an adventure in itself, ''et cetera.''
+[[User:Wildeblood|Wildeblood]] ([[User talk:Wildeblood|talk]]) 05:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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 == Discussion on Wildeblood's views above ==
 ===Questions===
 *1) If I can try to recapitulate:
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 Why "pew-pew"? I don't understand the nuance, I'm afraid.
-As every schoolboy knows, it's the sound a ray gun makes. Are you aware of a technology called television?
+ W: ''As every schoolboy knows, it's the sound a ray gun makes. Are you aware of a technology called television?''
 *2) I'm unsure how what you've written above fits in with how you regard Szaumix & Switeck as possibly sharing your view.
-Perhaps I misread them, or misremember the conversation completely, but the discussion I recall reading had them and hiran in furious agreement. Each making the point I made above: there's a world of possibility between 1/2048 and 2048/2048. Interesting things to catch the player's attention need to be added. To more than one system, but not all over the place. All things in moderation, you know.
+ W: ''Perhaps I misread them, or misremember the conversation completely, but the discussion I recall reading had them and hiran in furious agreement. Each making the point I made above: there's a world of possibility between 1/2048 and 2048/2048. Interesting things to catch the player's attention need to be added. To more than one system, but not all over the place. All things in moderation, you know.''
 *3) How about a different way of putting the question: What emotionally thrills you about exploration? And, are there any exploration moments from your playing Oolite or any other game which you look back on with enjoyment?
-Yes. But they've been removed from Oolite. One night I wondered whether the system instance one flies about in was a "boxed" space. We all know that only the current system is instantiated, and that you can't fly from one system to another without a "witchspace jump", during which terrible things happen to the friends you leave behind, and the new system is instantiated out of nothingness. But... I decided to try to fly to another system anyway. I wanted to know whether the game included any mechanism to deter such an action (it didn't), and whether eventually I'd hit the side of a box and be unable to go any further (I didn't).
+ W: ''Yes. But they've been removed from Oolite. One night I wondered whether the system instance one flies about in was a "boxed" space. We all know that only the current system is instantiated, and that you can't fly from one system to another without a "witchspace jump", during which terrible things happen to the friends you leave behind, and the new system is instantiated out of nothingness. But... I decided to try to fly to another system anyway. I wanted to know whether the game included any mechanism to deter such an action (it didn't), and whether eventually I'd hit the side of a box and be unable to go any further (I didn't).''
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 *4) SOTL Exploration. Brilliant! Searching for asteroid clusters - what fun! What a shame it is unfinished. (SOTL AltMap is also very enticing, but again, needs even more work)
-I cannot reconcile: your apparent fascination with SOTL Exploration, which is an alternative scenario; and your apparent dedication to collating the "lore" of the traditional Elite scenario.
+ W: ''I cannot reconcile: your apparent fascination with SOTL Exploration, which is an alternative scenario; and your apparent dedication to collating the "lore" of the traditional Elite scenario.''
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 At the level of making planning a route to travel across the galactic chart more challenging for the player, I see several possibilities. I'm currently toying with three.
 Tachyona - is a clumsy first attempt at using 2 or more planets on the chart, disguised as a single planet, to simulate cycles of planetary movement at the chart level. (Not to be compared to things like Orbits OXP that did it within the instantiated system.)
 The Witches of Middlemap - there's a demonic looking pentacle smack-bang in the middle of chart 1. If you haven't noticed, concealing several of the nearby systems makes it much more obvious. Trapping the player within is a relatively trivial exercise. Forcing the player to appease the witches in order to escape is step two. Rewarding the player by revealing the hitherto hidden systems would follow.

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	Tachyona - is a clumsy first attempt at using 2 or more planets on the chart, disguised as a single planet, to simulate cycles of planetary movement at the chart level. (Not to be compared to things like Orbits OXP that did it within the instantiated system.)		Tachyona - is a clumsy first attempt at using 2 or more planets on the chart, disguised as a single planet, to simulate cycles of planetary movement at the chart level. (Not to be compared to things like Orbits OXP that did it within the instantiated system.)
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	The Witches of Middlemap - there's a demonic looking pentacle smack-bang in the middle of chart 1. If you haven't noticed, concealing several of the nearby systems makes it much more obvious. Trapping the player within is a relatively trivial exercise. Forcing the player to appease the witches in order to escape is step two. Rewarding the player by revealing the hitherto hidden systems would follow.		The Witches of Middlemap - there's a demonic looking pentacle smack-bang in the middle of chart 1. If you haven't noticed, concealing several of the nearby systems makes it much more obvious. Trapping the player within is a relatively trivial exercise. Forcing the player to appease the witches in order to escape is step two. Rewarding the player by revealing the hitherto hidden systems would follow.

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 The simplest way to distinguish between single- and double-precision computing is to look at how many bits represent the floating-point number. For single precision, 32 bits are used to represent the floating-point number. For double precision, 64 bits are used to represent the floating-point number.")
-That's why Redspear, and anyone else who wants to, can now do re-scaling experiments, and put things right over there -----> without them getting all jittery looking.
+That's why Redspear, Stranger, and anyone else who wants to, can now do re-scaling experiments, and put things right over there -----> without them getting all jittery looking.
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