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Cholmondely: /* Discussions */ Added Misconceptions about Space Warfare

2025-07-08T23:20:22Z

‎Discussions: Added Misconceptions about Space Warfare

Cholmondely: Added Gravitation OXP

2025-06-01T15:56:20Z

Added Gravitation OXP

Cholmondely: /* Discussions */ Added link to Aegidian's explanation for massive ship size.

2025-03-19T22:41:42Z

‎Discussions: Added link to Aegidian's explanation for massive ship size.

Cholmondely: /* Other */ Added link to Clym Angus's analysis of size of crew vs size of ship

2025-03-19T21:36:09Z

‎Other: Added link to Clym Angus's analysis of size of crew vs size of ship

Cholmondely: Added note on scale

2024-08-14T01:53:04Z

Added note on scale

Cholmondely: /* Discussions */ Added another

2024-04-09T22:56:13Z

‎Discussions: Added another

Phkb: Updating BB links

2024-02-29T02:40:12Z

Updating BB links

Cholmondely: Removed "under construction" note, added Player centrism comments

2024-01-12T11:29:06Z

Removed "under construction" note, added Player centrism comments

Cholmondely: /* Other */ Added another link

2024-01-12T11:13:57Z

‎Other: Added another link

Cholmondely: Added a little more

2023-07-21T13:28:07Z

Added a little more

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 ==== On the Other Hand... ====
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=19518 Superstitious Behaviour?] (2018)
 ==Gameplay and Balance indicator==

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 *[[Guide to Ambience OXPs]] details a number of OXPs addressing issues of astronomy.
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=255314#p255314 Astrobe's Inertia.oxp] (2017)
 === Combat ===

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 *[[Ubership]] has links to a number of BB threads on unrealistic ships
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10174 Dance the Balance] has an analysis of ship size (''ie'' cargo hold size) vs speed.
 ==== Trade ====

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 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=281794#p281794 Resuscitatory Project for Life in the Frontier] (2022)
 *[[Crew]]
 ==== On the Other Hand... ====

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 Realism is often seen as conflicting with playability. More realism requires suitable oxps. More playability is often accompanied by [[Handwavium]].
 == Issues with Physics/Science & Economics ==
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 == Issues with Equipment ==
-There are no 3D depictions of the eight galaxies.
+There are no 3D depictions of the eight galaxies. Nor any accurate way of giving direction (when docked), just distance.
 There are no depictions at all of what is in the solar systems (other than the ViewScreen views and the scanner - [[Telescope]] adds to this). Lists of distances, yes. Maps, no.

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 == Issues with Gameplay ==
-There is no ability to do anything inside one's ship other than pilot it (use the mediStim bay, sleep, eat, ''etc''.). There is as yet no ability to perform an [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21339 EVA]. Interaction with the Orbital Stations is minimal - as is the ability to do anything different on the planet's surface (except for [[Feudal States]]). The [[crew]] for the larger ships do not exist in any meaningful manner.
+There is no ability to do anything inside one's ship other than pilot it (use the mediStim bay, sleep, eat, ''etc''.). There is as yet no ability to perform an [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21339 EVA]. Interaction with the Orbital Stations is minimal - as is the ability to do anything different on the planet's surface (except for [[Feudal States]]). The [[crew]] for the larger ships do not exist in any meaningful manner.
 === Player centrism ===
 There are also issues with player centrism.
 *1) Tweaks to the vanilla game to make it more playable: giving a speed boost to the player's ship to help it escape mass-locks; not giving shields to NPCs to compensate for their lack of breakable equipment, no Torus drive for NPCs, ''etc''.
-*2) There are long-standing arguments about the extent to which the player ought to be able to really affect things in the game. See the [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18018 System Populator Memory] thread.
+*2) There are long-standing arguments about the extent to which the player ought to be able to really affect things in the game. See the [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18018 System Populator Memory] thread.
 == Realistic Solutions ==
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 *The [[Rescaling experiment]] attempts to sort out some of the [[Distance (Oolite)|distance/size]] issues.
 *[[Guide to Ambience OXPs]] details a number of OXPs addressing issues of astronomy.
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=255314#p255314 Astrobe's Inertia.oxp] (2017)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=255314#p255314 Astrobe's Inertia.oxp] (2017)
 === Combat ===
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 === Death ===
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12439 Penalize Death.oxp] Making death hurt (2012). By Spara.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12439 Penalize Death.oxp] Making death hurt (2012). By Spara.
 === Economics ===
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 === On the BB ===
 ==== Laws of Physics ====
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21096 Oolite essay: game lore, features and mechanics] Stranger's Essay for [[Roolite]] (the Russian Oolite web-site)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21096 Oolite essay: game lore, features and mechanics] Stranger's Essay for [[Roolite]] (the Russian Oolite web-site)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18664 Is it possible to add in Gravity/Inertia?] (2017) ...with [[User:Astrobe|Astrobe]]'s .oxp link
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18664 Is it possible to add in Gravity/Inertia?] (2017) ...with [[User:Astrobe|Astrobe]]'s .oxp link
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10238 GAME CHANGER - A little overlooked law of aerospace science.] (2011) The dynamics of travel in space. Friction, cosmic ray secondary muons, Bermuda Triangle, absolute zero, achilles' heels in ship designs, [[Ubership]]s...
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10238 GAME CHANGER - A little overlooked law of aerospace science.] (2011) The dynamics of travel in space. Friction, cosmic ray secondary muons, Bermuda Triangle, absolute zero, achilles' heels in ship designs, [[Ubership]]s...
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11476 Artificial Gravity and Space Stations] (2012)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11476 Artificial Gravity and Space Stations] (2012)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=111579#p111579 Calculating the mass of Oolite ships] (2010]
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=111579#p111579 Calculating the mass of Oolite ships] (2010]
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=57695#p57695 Selezen's take on physics] - leading on to Captain Hesperus on the courses at Lave Academy (2008)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=57695#p57695 Selezen's take on physics] - leading on to Captain Hesperus on the courses at Lave Academy (2008)
 ==== Astronomy ====
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=283299#p283299 Asteroids in clumps] rather than in belts (2006/22).
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=283299#p283299 Asteroids in clumps] rather than in belts (2006/22).
 ==== Ships ====
 *[[Ubership]] has links to a number of BB threads on unrealistic ships
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10174 Dance the Balance] has an analysis of ship size (''ie'' cargo hold size) vs speed.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10174 Dance the Balance] has an analysis of ship size (''ie'' cargo hold size) vs speed.
 ==== Trade ====
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17366 Commodity sub-types] (2015+): note [[User:Redspear|Redspear]]'s powerful defence of the playable Oolite trade model.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17366 Commodity sub-types] (2015+): note [[User:Redspear|Redspear]]'s powerful defence of the playable Oolite trade model.
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21219 Perfectly balanced economics?] (2022): szaum-ix's thread on making Oolites trade model more realistic.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21219 Perfectly balanced economics?] (2022): szaum-ix's thread on making Oolites trade model more realistic.
 ==== Other ====
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8581 A moment of existential angst] (2010) - Religion, Food
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8581 A moment of existential angst] (2010) - Religion, Food
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18018 System Populator Memory] (2016) - to what extent should the player's actions affect what will happen in the system?
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18018 System Populator Memory] (2016) - to what extent should the player's actions affect what will happen in the system?
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21339 Enabling EVA's in Oolite] (2022)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21339 Enabling EVA's in Oolite] (2022)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21325 Using the ship's mediStim Bay] (2022)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21325 Using the ship's mediStim Bay] (2022)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=281794#p281794 Resuscitatory Project for Life in the Frontier] (2022)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=281794#p281794 Resuscitatory Project for Life in the Frontier] (2022)
 *[[Crew]]

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 Oolite is modelled on Classic Elite - a very simplistic but very playable game published in 1984. Realism is often seen as conflicting with playability.
 <br>[[File:Oolite-304.png|right|600px]]<br>
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 == Issues with Gameplay ==
 There is no ability to do anything inside one's ship other than pilot it (use the mediStim bay, sleep, eat, ''etc''.). There is as yet no ability to perform an [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21339 EVA]. Interaction with the Orbital Stations is minimal - as is the ability to do anything different on the planet's surface (except for [[Feudal States]]). The [[crew]] for the larger ships do not exist in any meaningful manner.
 == Realistic Solutions ==

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 {{OXPNote|This Page is under construction!}}
 <br>[[File:Oolite-304.png|right|600px]]<br>
 == Issues with Physics/Science & Economics ==
 [[Classic Elite]] was written for early computers. David Braben's [[Frontier]] series (written a decade later for more powerful computers) tried to import more real-world physics and astronomy into gaming. But Oolite, being a copy of Classic Elite, suffered from the simplicity inherent in the early game. Thus the astronomy, the physics and the economics are all unreal simplifications which, however, combine to make a much more playable game.
 As the years have gone by, there have been those pushing for a more realistic approach (originally, some who came to Oolite through Frontier), and other pushing for a more game-focused approach (perhaps those who preferred Classic Elite - Frontier had playability problems). The arguments on each side are good, and the open nature of Oolite means that there are a plethora of OXPs which modify the game in one's desired direction.
 == Issues with Gameplay ==
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 [[File:Scale Oolite-011.jpg|right|320px]]
 === Astronomy/Physics ===
-*[[Strangers World]] attempts to sort out a large number of these: to whit, some of the issues of scale/distance, astronomy, fuel-less travel, visible laser beams ''etc''.
+*[[Strangers World]] deals with a large number of these: to whit, some of the issues of scale/distance, astronomy, fuel-less travel, visible laser beams ''etc''.
 *[[Ship Configuration OXP]] implements the impact of equipment volume, weight, heat production and breakability.
 *The [[Rescaling experiment]] attempts to sort out some of the [[Distance (Oolite)|distance/size]] issues.
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 === Combat ===
-In Oolite when you get hit, your shields absorb the damage. When your shields are gone, the damage impacts directly on your ship, and may damage equipment or trade goods. It never destroys equipment. It never causes damage to your hull, or fuel leaks, ''etc''. This is remedied by these oxp's:
+In Oolite when you get hit, your shields absorb the damage. When your shields are gone, the damage impacts directly on your ship, and may damage equipment or trade goods. It never ''destroys'' equipment. It never causes damage to your hull, or fuel leaks, ''etc''. This is remedied by these oxp's:
 *[[BattleDamage]] designed just to make damage more realistic (Smivs)
 *[[CustomShields]] shows visually the effects of damage - including fuel leaks