https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Realism Realism - Revision history 2026-06-22T21:16:10Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.31.12 https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Realism&diff=89542&oldid=prev Cholmondely: Added two good quotes on scale 2026-06-22T09:15:45Z <p>Added two good quotes on scale</p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:15, 22 June 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11" >Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&#160; If you're new to Oolite's internal workings you should know that sizes and distances are totally messed up. The two short rules of thumb are: (1) ships are very much oversized, and everything else is very much undersized; and (2) none of the sizes makes sense in relation to human size...</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&#160; If you're new to Oolite's internal workings you should know that sizes and distances are totally messed up. The two short rules of thumb are: (1) ships are very much oversized, and everything else is very much undersized; and (2) none of the sizes makes sense in relation to human size...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&#160; The scales of sizes in Oolite are bent deliberately because of playability. Ships are much bigger than it would seem sensible in order to allow the player to see them (and hit them). Realistically sized ships would practically always be just single pixels on your screen. Almost impossible to see any detail, almost impossible to hit. A waste of beautiful models. Planets and distances between bodies in space, on the other hand, are much, much smaller than it would seem sensible in order to allow the player to ever interact with anybody. A realistically sized space would be so huge and empty that you would spend most of your time completely on your own on very boring journeys. Both would make for terrible gameplay. Thus the lack of realism is the price we have to pay for making Oolite a playable game in the first place. [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=163759#p163759 Commander McLane (2012)]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&#160; The scales of sizes in Oolite are bent deliberately because of playability. Ships are much bigger than it would seem sensible in order to allow the player to see them (and hit them). Realistically sized ships would practically always be just single pixels on your screen. Almost impossible to see any detail, almost impossible to hit. A waste of beautiful models. Planets and distances between bodies in space, on the other hand, are much, much smaller than it would seem sensible in order to allow the player to ever interact with anybody. A realistically sized space would be so huge and empty that you would spend most of your time completely on your own on very boring journeys. Both would make for terrible gameplay. Thus the lack of realism is the price we have to pay for making Oolite a playable game in the first place. [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=163759#p163759 Commander McLane (2012)]</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> Yeh, take for instance the 1-Ton barrels. They are roughly 9 meters long and 5 meters wide. When you would fill such large thing with water they would weigh over 200 tons. Just a waste of space to fill it only with 1 ton of something.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> On the other hand are all planets 100 times smaller than shown. When the F7 screen says a planet is 6,000,000 m in radius, the radius is actually drawn at 60,000 meter in size. So planets are too small and ships too big, all this to get a workable game were it doesn't take ages to fly around the planet. [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=53997#p53997 Eric Walch (2008)]</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> Apparently Giles made a quick testrun with a never-published Oolite version in which he made all solar system distances and sun &amp; planet radii + scanner range 100 times bigger and the speeds 100 times faster. He reported that he could no longer even find ships, they would just whooosh past and never be seen by the naked eye ... 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See the [<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">https</ins>://<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">bb</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">oolite</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">space</ins>/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=18018 System Populator Memory] thread.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Realistic Solutions ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Realistic Solutions ==</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l34" >Line 34:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 34:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The [[Rescaling experiment]] attempts to sort out some of the [[Distance (Oolite)|distance/size]] issues.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; 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By Spara.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=== Economics ===</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; 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font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">https</ins>://<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">bb</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">oolite</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">space</ins>/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=21096 Oolite essay: game lore, features and mechanics] Stranger's Essay for [[Roolite]] (the Russian Oolite web-site)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http</del>://<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">www</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">aegidian</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">org/bb</del>/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=18664 Is it possible to add in Gravity/Inertia?] (2017) ...with [[User:Astrobe|Astrobe]]'s .oxp link</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">https</ins>://<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">bb</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">oolite</ins>.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">space</ins>/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=18664 Is it possible to add in Gravity/Inertia?] (2017) ...with [[User:Astrobe|Astrobe]]'s .oxp link</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http</del>://<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">www</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">aegidian</del>.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">org/bb</del>/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=10238 GAME CHANGER - A little overlooked law of aerospace science.] (2011) The dynamics of travel in space. 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The [[crew]] for the larger ships do not exist in any meaningful manner.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=== Player centrism ===</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">There are also issues with player centrism.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*1) Tweaks to the vanilla game to make it more playable: giving a speed boost to the player's ship to help it escape mass-locks; not giving shields to NPCs to compensate for their lack of breakable equipment, no Torus drive for NPCs, ''etc''.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*2) There are long-standing arguments about the extent to which the player ought to be able to really affect things in the game. See the [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=18018 System Populator Memory] thread.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Realistic Solutions ==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Realistic Solutions ==</div></td></tr> </table> Cholmondely