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[[File:NewClipperComp-750.png|thumb|right|400px|[[User:Smivs|Smivs]] chose to create many ships and objects in a retro style]]
The acronyms '''RELOP''' and '''PROHIP''' compress the concepts of '''''Retro Low Poly''''' and '''''Progressive High Poly''''', referring to the low or high number of polygons used in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_mesh polygon mesh] of a computer graphics model, and whether the style of its use looks back to nostalgic ideals, or forward to push technical and creative boundaries.

While the defining threshold of what is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_poly high or low poly] count is a subjective one, –and this has increased greatly with time and advancement in technology– in terms of [[Elite]] and [[Oolite]], there may be found a relative scale considering the very seminal wire-frame 3D graphics from which Elite came, to the possibilities that are now available in Oolite.

==RELOPy style==
[[File:Spinning boa.gif|thumb|left|200px|The first [[Boa (Classic)|Boa]]. Stylistic genius in simplicity.]]Elite gave birth to the stylised low poly space ship. Exactly to what degree the technical limitations of the times dictated the visual choices that were made, we just don't know, but in any event it gave birth to a ''style''.

The famous classical Elite ship shapes average around a dozen polygons, and with time, these recognisable geometric shapes came to have meaning. The sight of a particular shape and one's ability to define the significance of that shape was central to the experience of Elite, and was brought on by Oolite from the beginning.

Now, while the possibilities of creating shapes have vastly fewer limits, some choose to look back in reverence to the original form, as an essential part of what makes Elite/Oolite unique. This is the RELOPy school.
[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "Oolite - It's not just for triangles anymore"]]

==PROHIPy style==
What amounted to prudent use of polygons in the early 2000s isn't nearly the case decades on. With a larger polygon budget, the possibilities for detail are expanded. The use of the term "high poly" is here exaggerated, because in another context, even a smoothly detailed object like the Griff Boa would be considered low poly. This isn't a case of Pixar models using supercomputers to render images, but it is a stylistic difference. The smartly designed PROHIPy object isn't indiscriminately high poly but still made a with modest polygon budget while making shrewd use of the mapping tools available to complete the illusion.

Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice that chooses to push forward to shape objects with greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''école Griff''.

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 The acronyms '''RELOP''' and '''PROHIP''' compress the concepts of '''''Retro Low Poly''''' and '''''Progressive High Poly''''', referring to the low or high number of polygons used in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_mesh polygon mesh] of a computer graphics model, and whether the style of its use looks back to nostalgic ideals, or forward to push technical and creative boundaries.
-[[File:Spinning boa.gif|thumb|left|200px|The first [[Boa (classic)|Boa]], stylistic genius in simplicity.]]
+While the defining threshold of what is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_poly high or low poly] count is a subjective one, – and this has increased greatly with time and advancement in technology – in terms of ''[[Elite]]'' and ''[[Oolite]]'', there may be found a relative scale considering the very seminal wire-frame 3D graphics from which ''Elite'' came, to the possibilities that are now available in ''Oolite''.
 ==RELOPy style==
-[[File:IA skinkPlanet.jpg|thumb|left|280px|The [[Skink]] has 4 faces; can the envelope be pushed further?]]
+[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px| At the other end of the spectrum –the [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "''Oolite'' - It's not just for triangles anymore" thread]]
-Elite gave birth to the stylised low poly space ship. Exactly to what degree the technical limitations of the times dictated the visual choices that were made, we just don't know, but in any event it gave birth to a ''style''.
+The famous classical ''Elite'' ship shapes average around a dozen polygons, and with time, these recognisable geometric shapes came to have meaning. The sight of a particular shape and one's ability to define the significance of that shape was central to the experience of ''Elite'', and continued with ''Oolite'' from the beginning.
-The famous classical Elite ship shapes average around a dozen polygons, and with time, these recognisable geometric shapes came to have meaning. The sight of a particular shape and one's ability to define the significance of that shape was central to the experience of Elite, and continued with Oolite from the beginning.
+Now, although the possibilities of creating shapes have considerably fewer limits, some enthusiasts opt to look back in reverence to the original simplistic form, as an essential part of what makes ''Elite/Oolite'' unique. This is the RELOPy school.
-Now, although the possibilities of creating shapes have considerably fewer limits, some enthusiasts opt to look back in reverence to the original simplistic form, as an essential part of what makes Elite/Oolite unique. This is the RELOPy school.
+[[File:Griff Krait.PNG|thumb|left|240px|The [[Griff Krait]], another demonstration of the pinnacle of high-poly visual pleasure.]]
 ==PROHIPy style==
-[[File:Griff Krait.PNG|thumb|left|280px|The [[Griff Krait]], another demonstration of the pinnacle of high-poly visual pleasure.]]
+What amounted to prudent use of polygons in the early 2000s isn't the case several decades later. With a larger polygon budget, the possibilities for detail are greatly expanded.
 The use of the term "high poly" is here exaggerated, because in another context, even a smoothly detailed object like the Griff Boa may be considered low poly. This isn't a case of Pixar models using supercomputers to render images, but it is a stylistic difference.
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 The smartly designed PROHIPy object isn't indiscriminately high poly but still made a with modest polygon budget while making shrewd use of the mapping tools available to complete the illusion.
-Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice of pushing forward to shape objects with more ornamentation, greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''École Griff''.
+Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice of pushing forward to shape objects with more ornamentation, greater detail and realism, and freedom from low polygon constraints, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French might call it, ''École Griff''.
 ==OXPs==
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 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=3591 Ship designs.] (2007) Miangele and a chorus of others celebrating the original "low poly" designs
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17608 What would a 'real' spaceship actually look like?]: debate (2014) - [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] starts arguing for low poly...
-*[[Low-poly aesthetics]] - more from Murgh on his favourite model styles
+*[[Low-poly aesthetics]] notes for a WIP essay on stylistic simplicity by Murgh
 [[Category:Concepts]]

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 Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice of pushing forward to shape objects with more ornamentation, greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''École Griff''.
 ==Links==
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=3591 Ship designs.] (2007) Miangele and a chorus of others celebrating the original "low poly" designs
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17608 What would a 'real' spaceship actually look like?]: debate (2014) - [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] starts arguing for low poly...
 [[Category:Concepts]]

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 ==Links==
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17608 What would a 'real' spaceship actually look like?]: debate (2014) - [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] starts arguing for low poly...
 [[Category:Concepts]]

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 ==Links==
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17608 What would a 'real' spaceship actually look like?]: debate (2014) - [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] starts arguing for low poly...
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17608 What would a 'real' spaceship actually look like?]: debate (2014) - [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] starts arguing for low poly...
 [[Category:Concepts]]

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 [[File:Spinning boa.gif|thumb|left|200px|The first [[Boa (classic)|Boa]], stylistic genius in simplicity.]]
-While the defining threshold of what is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_poly high or low poly] count is a subjective one, –and this has increased greatly with time and advancement in technology– in terms of [[Elite]] and [[Oolite]], there may be found a relative scale considering the very seminal wire-frame 3D graphics from which Elite came, to the possibilities that are now available in Oolite.
+While the defining threshold of what is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_poly high or low poly] count is a subjective one, – and this has increased greatly with time and advancement in technology – in terms of [[Elite]] and [[Oolite]], there may be found a relative scale considering the very seminal wire-frame 3D graphics from which Elite came, to the possibilities that are now available in Oolite.
 ==RELOPy style==
-[[File:IA skinkPlanet.jpg|thumb|left|280px|The [[Skink]] har 4 faces; can the envelope be pushed further?]]
+[[File:IA skinkPlanet.jpg|thumb|left|280px|The [[Skink]] has 4 faces; can the envelope be pushed further?]]
 Elite gave birth to the stylised low poly space ship. Exactly to what degree the technical limitations of the times dictated the visual choices that were made, we just don't know, but in any event it gave birth to a ''style''.
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 Now, although the possibilities of creating shapes have considerably fewer limits, some enthusiasts opt to look back in reverence to the original simplistic form, as an essential part of what makes Elite/Oolite unique. This is the RELOPy school.
-[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px| At the other end of the spectrum –the [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "Oolite - It's not just for triangles anymore"]]
+[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px| At the other end of the spectrum –the [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "Oolite - It's not just for triangles anymore" thread]]
 ==PROHIPy style==
 [[File:Griff Krait.PNG|thumb|left|280px|The [[Griff Krait]], another demonstration of the pinnacle of high-poly visual pleasure.]]
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 Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice of pushing forward to shape objects with more ornamentation, greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''École Griff''.
 [[Category:Concepts]]

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-[[File:NewClipperComp-750.png|thumb|right|400px|[[User:Smivs|Smivs]] chose to create many ships and objects in a retro style]]
+[[File:NewClipperComp-750.png|thumb|right|400px|From the one style of expression, [[User:Smivs|Smivs]] chose to cultivate the simplistic retro style]]
 The acronyms '''RELOP''' and '''PROHIP''' compress the concepts of '''''Retro Low Poly''''' and '''''Progressive High Poly''''', referring to the low or high number of polygons used in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_mesh polygon mesh] of a computer graphics model, and whether the style of its use looks back to nostalgic ideals, or forward to push technical and creative boundaries.
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 The famous classical Elite ship shapes average around a dozen polygons, and with time, these recognisable geometric shapes came to have meaning. The sight of a particular shape and one's ability to define the significance of that shape was central to the experience of Elite, and was brought on by Oolite from the beginning.
-Now, while the possibilities of creating shapes have vastly fewer limits, some choose to look back in reverence to the original form, as an essential part of what makes Elite/Oolite unique. This is the RELOPy school.
+Now, although the possibilities of creating shapes have considerably less limits, some choose to look back in reverence to the original simplistic form, as an essential part of what makes Elite/Oolite unique. This is the RELOPy school.
-[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "Oolite - It's not just for triangles anymore"]]
+[[File:GriffBoa planet.jpg|thumb|right|400px| At the other end of the spectrum –the [[Griff Boa]], famously featured in the "Oolite - It's not just for triangles anymore"]]
 ==PROHIPy style==
-What amounted to prudent use of polygons in the early 2000s isn't nearly the case decades on. With a larger polygon budget, the possibilities for detail are expanded. The use of the term "high poly" is here exaggerated, because in another context, even a smoothly  detailed object like the Griff Boa would be considered low poly. This isn't a case of Pixar models using supercomputers to render images, but it is a stylistic difference. The smartly designed PROHIPy object isn't indiscriminately high poly but still made a with modest polygon budget while making shrewd use of the mapping tools available to complete the illusion.
+What amounted to prudent use of polygons in the early 2000s isn't the case decades on. With a larger polygon budget, the possibilities for detail are expanded. The use of the term "high poly" is here exaggerated, because in another context, even a smoothly detailed object like the Griff Boa may be considered low poly. This isn't a case of Pixar models using supercomputers to render images, but it is a stylistic difference. The smartly designed PROHIPy object isn't indiscriminately high poly but still made a with modest polygon budget while making shrewd use of the mapping tools available to complete the illusion.
-Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice that chooses to push forward to shape objects with greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''école Griff''.
+Nevertheless, this is a stylistic choice that chooses to push forward to shape objects with more ornamentation, greater detail and realism, which is the essence of the PROHIPy school, or as the French would call it, ''École Griff''.

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 ==RELOPy style==
-[[File:Spinning boa.gif|thumb|left|200px|The first [[Boa (Classic)|Boa]]. Stylistic genius in simplicity.]]Elite gave birth to the stylised low poly space ship. Exactly to what degree the technical limitations of the times dictated the visual choices that were made, we just don't know, but in any event it gave birth to a ''style''.
+[[File:Spinning boa.gif|thumb|left|200px|The first [[Boa (classic)|Boa]]. Stylistic genius in simplicity.]]Elite gave birth to the stylised low poly space ship. Exactly to what degree the technical limitations of the times dictated the visual choices that were made, we just don't know, but in any event it gave birth to a ''style''.
 The famous classical Elite ship shapes average around a dozen polygons, and with time, these recognisable geometric shapes came to have meaning. The sight of a particular shape and one's ability to define the significance of that shape was central to the experience of Elite, and was brought on by Oolite from the beginning.