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 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7066 Licensing OXPs – Discussion] (2009-16)
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=3075 Licensing] (2007) - introduction to confusion!
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 === Historic discussions ===
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7066 Licensing OXPs – Discussion] (2009-16)
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?t=3075 Licensing] (2007) - introduction to confusion!

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 === Historic discussions ===
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7066 Licensing OXPs – Discussion] (2009-16)
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 bye
 Sung
-|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=30387#p30387 (Feb 2007)])}}
+|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=30387#p30387 (Feb 2007)])}}
 This led to lengthy discussions about licensing combined with various decisions being made by [[User:Ahruman|Ahruman]] and others.
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 ==== Lestradae affair ====
-Next there was the '''Lestradae affair''', starting with [[User:Lestradae|Lestradae]]'s creation of his mega-oxp, [[Realistic Shipyards]]. This was going to include everybody else's ship.oxp's and regularise them to make them compatible with each other and with Oolite as a whole. It became regarded as his "muscling in" by some of the other .oxp writers who then started insisting that he leave their oxp's out of his Realistic Shipyards! Again, matters escalated, and Lestradae ended up "resigning", so to speak, in [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=187339#p187339 Nov 2012]. He argued that the real reason was the broken nature of his concept, but his reception by the then stalwarts of the community (who all seem to have since fled) could not have helped.
+Next there was the '''Lestradae affair''', starting with [[User:Lestradae|Lestradae]]'s creation of his mega-oxp, [[Realistic Shipyards]]. This was going to include everybody else's ship.oxp's and regularise them to make them compatible with each other and with Oolite as a whole. It became regarded as his "muscling in" by some of the other .oxp writers who then started insisting that he leave their oxp's out of his Realistic Shipyards! Again, matters escalated, and Lestradae ended up "resigning", so to speak, in [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=187339#p187339 Nov 2012]. He argued that the real reason was the broken nature of his concept, but his reception by the then stalwarts of the community (who all seem to have since fled) could not have helped.
 ==== Killer Wolf affair ====
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 i have no argument there...but at the same time, isn't submitting an OXP an acceptance of it being "got at" by people who might wanna pick it apart etc? i am aware that my textures are freely available to anyone w/ PShop etc - if they wanna mess w/ them, nowt i can do about it - i will only throw a strop if they release a far better texture than i did :-D
-now, while i would be hugely chuffed if someone thought my Vampires worthy enough of being used in their OXPs even if they didn't ask, i WOULD get huffed if that someone made it out to be their work, ie the readme didn't say "Vampires nicked from IsisInterstellar OXP" or such. but then, if they did that, i'd mention it on the boards, and see what happened - no doubt the community would police matters by making feelings known. still, since i'm not losing money by someone stealing my ships, it's hardly a huge matter...|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=30445#p30445 Killer Wolf (Feb 2007)])}}
+now, while i would be hugely chuffed if someone thought my Vampires worthy enough of being used in their OXPs even if they didn't ask, i WOULD get huffed if that someone made it out to be their work, ie the readme didn't say "Vampires nicked from IsisInterstellar OXP" or such. but then, if they did that, i'd mention it on the boards, and see what happened - no doubt the community would police matters by making feelings known. still, since i'm not losing money by someone stealing my ships, it's hardly a huge matter...|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=30445#p30445 Killer Wolf (Feb 2007)])}}
 {{QuoteText|Text="It is amoral to not properly license. These unlicensed oxp's need to be properly highlighted with a toxic label on the wiki. "
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 i wouldn't dream of going an messing w/ another OXP especially when it's been made abundantly clear the creator was against it. i think this whole debacle could've been avoided w/ some simple courtesy and respect rather than 50 page debates, strops and legal BS.
-i mean, jesus - we all share and learn from each other don't we? there's absolutely nothing more simple to this whole thing that ASKING to borrow/incorrporate/adapt someone else's work. that's all, just ASK. if they say no, for whatever reason, just suck it up and deal w/ it.|Source=([http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=94997#p94997 Killer Wolf (Nov 2009)])}}
+i mean, jesus - we all share and learn from each other don't we? there's absolutely nothing more simple to this whole thing that ASKING to borrow/incorrporate/adapt someone else's work. that's all, just ASK. if they say no, for whatever reason, just suck it up and deal w/ it.|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=94997#p94997 Killer Wolf (Nov 2009)])}}
 {{QuoteText|Text= ...i'll add a note to my new ship ReadMe explaining my stance and leave it at that. my current stance is i flatly refuse to quote licences and what have you as i think it's kinda counter to the community we had happily existing only a few short weeks ago. i'm happy to toe the line though, if the community decides that it's a requirement, although as i've said numerous times, simple courtesy should be enough to get this board back to the way it was. i hope.
-there's no sales or money involved in all of this so why legalities and licences suddenly became such a hot topic is somewhat disappointing to me...|Source=([http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=95031#p95031 Killer Wolf (Nov 2009)])}}
+there's no sales or money involved in all of this so why legalities and licences suddenly became such a hot topic is somewhat disappointing to me...|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=95031#p95031 Killer Wolf (Nov 2009)])}}
 ''These are just edited highlights showing KW's side of the debates - click on the links above to see more.'' Note KW's emphasis on community. And note that he never gave his oxp's licenses (despite a grudging willingness to do so if forced to).<br><br>
-) Secondly, there was the later issue of KW's being chased out of the community. Killer Wolf started a [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11434 new thread] to discuss a new game, Sol Exodus (back in Jan 2012 - second half of this thread is [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11576 here]). It was hijacked (as so many threads are) - hijacked by some of the then leading community members. Killer Wolf took this badly (see second half of thread - and note the personally abusive reactions to him) and he ended up leaving - and taking down his oxp's from his purgatori website (and then later taking the entire website down).<br><br>
+) Secondly, there was the later issue of KW's being chased out of the community. Killer Wolf started a [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11434 new thread] to discuss a new game, Sol Exodus (back in Jan 2012 - second half of this thread is [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11576 here]). It was hijacked (as so many threads are) - hijacked by some of the then leading community members. Killer Wolf took this badly (see second half of thread - and note the personally abusive reactions to him) and he ended up leaving - and taking down his oxp's from his purgatori website (and then later taking the entire website down).<br><br>
 ) So what ''is'' the status of Killer Wolf's .oxp's? On the one hand he gave everybody permission to adapt and publish them as long as he was credited in the ReadMe's. On the other hand, he left upset and took down his oxp's. On the third hand, that was then (2012), we are now, and his tormentors seem to have all left the community.<br>
 <font color="Red">'''Update'''</font> Killer Wolf returned in February 2022 and wrote ''this'' to Spara:
-  [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=282883#p282883 @spara ~ as per other threads/comments/whatever, all my stuff is freely available for people to do what they want w/; my only stipulation was, be respectful.]
+  [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=282883#p282883 @spara ~ as per other threads/comments/whatever, all my stuff is freely available for people to do what they want w/; my only stipulation was, be respectful.]
 ==== Introduction of the Expansions Manager ====
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 <font size="1">* check the initials...hee hee</font>
-[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=93930#p93930 Selezen (2009)]
+[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=93930#p93930 Selezen (2009)]
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 == Links ==
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16294 Analysis of Licenses] (2014)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16294 Analysis of Licenses] (2014)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=255521#p255521 Dizzy on Pleiadian's rewrite of a licenceless .oxp] (2017)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=255521#p255521 Dizzy on Pleiadian's rewrite of a licenceless .oxp] (2017)
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18544 Thread about licenses & recovering old oxp's] (2017)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18544 Thread about licenses & recovering old oxp's] (2017)
 === Historic discussions ===
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7066 Licensing OXPs – Discussion] (2009-16)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7066 Licensing OXPs – Discussion] (2009-16)
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 === External Links ===
 Choose a License.com:
 *[https://choosealicense.com/ Guide to which license to grant]
 *[https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/ If there is no license...]
 [[Category:Oolite]] [[Category:Factual]] [[Category:Concepts]]

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 * GNUstep public license (see ''eg'' [[RXSoftware]])
 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL WTFPL] (see [[ClearHUD]])
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 [[File:Nuitfl.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Killer Wolf's Nuit station]]
 [[File:SothisBuoy.png|thumb|right|150px|Killer Wolf's Sothis station buoy]]
 == Historical Overview (Problems!) ==
 There was a general presumption held by some in the early days that any oxp's posted came under the same license as Oolite itself. See [[Hotrods OXP]], where [[User:Arexack|Arexack_Heretic]] argues that the Oolite license covers the oxp's too. Certainly, a number of people back in the early days understood that uploading one's oxp's to either of the Oosat repositories automatically meant that one was ''de facto'' licensing it.

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	So there are now issues with applying licenses to older .oxp's which one might wish to publish on the Expansions Manager (see [[Galactic Navy OXP]] for an example). One work around has been employed by (''eg'') [[User:Spara\|Spara]] & [[User:Montana05\|Montana05]] who have created override .oxp's (which ''are'' licensed), and then publishing both the original and the override. Sometimes the override is just a "fix", at other times it provides new textures, ''etc''.		So there are now issues with applying licenses to older .oxp's which one might wish to publish on the Expansions Manager (see [[Galactic Navy OXP]] for an example). One work around has been employed by (''eg'') [[User:Spara\|Spara]] & [[User:Montana05\|Montana05]] who have created override .oxp's (which ''are'' licensed), and then publishing both the original and the override. Sometimes the override is just a "fix", at other times it provides new textures, ''etc''.
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		+	==== The Selezen License ====
		+	All works by David TW Hughes, also known as [[User:Selezen\|Selezen]], advertised under the banner of [[Seldar Shipyards]], heretofore referred to as The Products, are hereby protected under the Tionislan World Agency for Trade* Intellectual Property Law (Modified Electronic Media, Revision 439, Volume VII, Chapter II, Subsection a sub-paragraph iii, microdot alpha-three-seven).
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		+	Any and all use of The Product without express permission for each instance of execution will be classed as breach of copyright and fair use.
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		+	Standard recompense for breach of this agreement will be a fine of not less than £3000 per kilobyte of memory used. Should the memory usage increase to over 1Mb used, the copyright breacher will be required to pay damages of one (1) chicken tikka masala with keema naan (no rice) within 48 hours.
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		+	Should the copyright breaker still persist in this act for a further three occasions, the copyright holder will personally visit the abode of the individual and show them holiday photos on a mobile phone screen for a period of no less than seven (7) hours. This will be done on a day when the copyright holder's IBS is playing up and he has just eaten all the chicken tikka masala awarded for previous breaches of the agreement.
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		+	Hardcopies of this agreement can be found in the recycle bin at the Agency for Trade office on Tionisla Coriolis 3. <br>
		+	<font size="1">* check the initials...hee hee</font>
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		+	[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=93930#p93930 Selezen (2009)]

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