Laser Combat Reimagined - Revision history

Phkb: Updating BB links

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Updating BB links

Cholmondely: Added another link

2021-11-15T16:19:38Z

Added another link

Cholmondely: Page updated

2021-07-23T18:50:30Z

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Cholmondely: Tweaked to take into account Redspear's BB critique.

2021-07-21T15:21:01Z

Tweaked to take into account Redspear's BB critique.

Cholmondely: Page Updated with Redspear's new analysis

2021-07-21T07:34:05Z

Page Updated with Redspear's new analysis

Cholmondely: Tweaks!

2021-04-20T13:18:27Z

Tweaks!

Cholmondely: GalCop Health Warning: This page is an incomplete description of what this .oxp currently does!

2021-01-26T13:00:41Z

GalCop Health Warning: This page is an incomplete description of what this .oxp currently does!

Cholmondely: Added Summary

2020-12-30T22:57:45Z

Added Summary

Cholmondely: Added picture!

2020-12-30T22:37:19Z

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Cholmondely: /* Suggested Changes */ Formatted quotes

2020-12-30T22:33:18Z

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 == Links ==
-*[https://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20088 BB Discussion]
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20088 BB Discussion]
 *[[New lasers]]
 *[[User:Redspear|Redspear]] for links to other OXPs such as Missile Combat reimagined, ''etc''.
 *[[Oolite Equipment]]
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=171342#p171342 A little story about the "Hassoni-Kruger Burst Laser"] (2012)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=171342#p171342 A little story about the "Hassoni-Kruger Burst Laser"] (2012)
 {{weapon-OXP}}

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 *[[User:Redspear|Redspear]] for links to other OXPs such as Missile Combat reimagined, ''etc''.
 *[[Oolite Equipment]]
 {{weapon-OXP}}

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 == Overview ==
+[[File:LCR-model.png|thumb|350px|right|Lasers and typical roles (non-exclusive)]]
 '''OXP purpose:'''
 :To avoid the extremes of being consistently outgunned at game start and of having minimal challenge once acquiring a military laser.
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 :Mining Laser updated to be combat practical and slightly superior to pulse
+=== Progression ===
-New Player progression: Pulse -> Mining -> Beam -> Burst -> Military
+*New Player progression: Pulse -> Mining -> Beam -> Burst -> Military
+*New Non-player progression: Defence -> Pulse -> Mining -> Beam - > Burst
 Player has the same range of progression as before but it's now less extreme (may need to increase pricing progression in future...)
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 Non-players now have an expanded range with (crucially) options between both pulse to beam and beam to military.
-Some pics with an upload of v0.6 to follow soon...
+Thargoid laser might seem terrible but it always has facing (a huge advantage), and once it's in trouble it soon has friends too! (I've changed nothing with regards to this weapon)
-'''Lasers and typical roles (non-exclusive)'''
+Military laser is the most powerful but not the most powerful per shot, that award goes to the mining laser albeit with much reduced rate of fire.
-[[File:LCR-model.png]]
+So pulse and mining lasers compensate their low damage potential with relatively long range, while the super-fast beam and military lasers don't have the best range but are more formidable.
-'''Lasers and power (adjusted for speed)'''
+The extent of the scanner is 26.5km if I recall/remember correctly, so there's room for an über version of each laser that extends its reach by another 5km (mining laser at 30 km would only match current default range of military laser).
 == Older summaries and analysis ==

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 [[File:Pulse laser small.jpg|400px|thumb|right|Pulse Laser]]
-There are now FIVE categories of ''player laser''.
+There are now SIX categories of ''player laser''.
-*'''Pulse lasers''' now have ''extended range''
+*'''Defence lasers''' are new: the cheapest laser.
 *'''Beam lasers''' have ''speed'' and are good for dogfights.
 *'''Military lasers''' are expensive all-rounders which heat up too quickly

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-'''Warning: This page is unfinished. The analysis stands, but the evolution of the response (see BB thread) means that there is not a simple concise accurate description of what this OXP currently does. This is being worked on ... but will take ti-i-i-i-ime!'''
+[[File:Pulse laser small.jpg|400px|thumb|right|Pulse Laser]]
+There are now FIVE categories of ''player laser''.
 *'''Pulse lasers''' now have ''extended range''
 *'''Beam lasers''' have ''speed'' and are good for dogfights.
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 *'''Mining lasers''' are slow and ''powerful''
 *'''Burst lasers''' are new: a weaker version of the military laser.
 == Overview ==
 Crude summary:
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 Traditionally the beam laser made the pulse laser obsolete and then the military laser did the same to the beam (by an even bigger margin). That suited the original Elite much better than it does Oolite IMHO and I think this might be a way to keep the flavour of the original weapons without some of the inherent problems.
+</div>
 == Compatibility with New lasers OXP ==
 ''Re''.: my [[New lasers]], the two oxps currently don't mix very well although I have a plan to address this without requiring significant changes to the UBER new lasers that some people seem to be fond of. Fully compatible? No, at least not in any way that makes much sense. I've only recently removed the exclusive requirement to this oxp in anticipation of updating [[New lasers]].
-(New Lasers introduces 3 new categories of laser in addition to the burst laser: bolt, variscan & defence lasers. There are also 3 varieties of each of the 8 laser types. One variety of each is an uber-laser, buyable only in one system in the galaxy!).
+(New Lasers introduces 3 new categories of laser in addition to the burst laser: bolt, variscan & defence lasers. There are also 3 varieties of each of the 8 laser types. One variety of each is an über-laser, buyable only in one system in the galaxy!).
 == Links ==

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 [[File:Pulse laser small.jpg|400px|thumb|right|Pulse Laser]]
-Why Change?
+== Overview ==
-'''Warning: This page is unfinished. The analysis stands, but the evolution of the response (see BB thread) means that there is not a simple concise description of what this OXP currently does. This is being worked on ... but will take ti-i-i-i-ime!'''
+I need to test more (still not at v1.0) but I really think it helps to makes combat more interesting from the start of the game, rather than just something to be always avoided.
 == Analysis ==
 '''The Beginner's Experience (the pulse laser):'''
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 *Fast as it is, the Cobra III can't usually escape from Sidewinders or Asps (with the former being a fairly common assailant and a difficult target).
-'''Summary: You need to run a lot which would be fine except that it takes so long to do so.'''
+''Summary: You need to run a lot which would be fine except that it takes so long to do so.''
 '''The Novice's Experience (the beam laser):'''
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 *It's an easy weapon to overheat (as it should be given it's other properties) but pirates rarely seem to make this mistake. The player has to learn to make it work (good design) but rarely has safe opportunity to do so (less good)
-'''Summary: You have a much better weapon now but you don't get much chance to exploit it. You still need to run a lot due to the prevalence of pirate packs and likely due also to threat assessment mechanics'''
+''Summary: You have a much better weapon now but you don't get much chance to exploit it. You still need to run a lot due to the prevalence of pirate packs and likely due also to threat assessment mechanics''
 '''The Veteran's Experience (the military laser):'''
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 *Large packs are required in order to present any kind of a challenge but almost always the player is the only one with a military laser. This both contradicts 'non player centric' design and makes the weapon seem underpriced and too commonly available
-'''Summary: If you're cautious enough then combat becomes much easier. The jump from beam to military is enormous: double range AND double power. Arguably this is exactly the advantage that the player needs most of the time but the range advantage on a rear mounted laser is overpowered. Rear lasers encourage not only sniping but 'shooting gallery' sniping where most targets can't get near you unless you let them.'''
+''Summary: If you're cautious enough then combat becomes much easier. The jump from beam to military is enormous: double range AND double power. Arguably this is exactly the advantage that the player needs most of the time but the range advantage on a rear mounted laser is overpowered. Rear lasers encourage not only sniping but 'shooting gallery' sniping where most targets can't get near you unless you let them.''
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 *The scanner is very large and determines both mass-lock (and therefore escape) and range, nearly half of it being exclusive to the military laser
-*Pirate packs are near ubiqitous as a solution to every player having some kind of a challenge - but for those without a military laser almost nowhere is safe
+*Pirate packs are near ubiquitous as a solution to every player having some kind of a challenge - but for those without a military laser almost nowhere is safe
 *Rear shooting is a problem in that it rewards caution over skill and with a longer ranged weapon is potentially dull
 === Suggested Changes ===
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 Traditionally the beam laser made the pulse laser obsolete and then the military laser did the same to the beam (by an even bigger margin). That suited the original Elite much better than it does Oolite IMHO and I think this might be a way to keep the flavour of the original weapons without some of the inherent problems.
-== Summary ==
+== Compatibility with New lasers OXP ==
-There are now FIVE categories of player laser - each with 3 different models.
+''Re''.: my [[New lasers]], the two oxps currently don't mix very well although I have a plan to address this without requiring significant changes to the UBER new lasers that some people seem to be fond of. Fully compatible? No, at least not in any way that makes much sense. I've only recently removed the exclusive requirement to this oxp in anticipation of updating [[New lasers]].
-*'''Pulse lasers''' now have ''extended range''
-*'''Beam lasers''' have ''speed'' and are good for dogfights.
+(New Lasers introduces 3 new categories of laser in addition to the burst laser: bolt, variscan & defence lasers. There are also 3 varieties of each of the 8 laser types. One variety of each is an uber-laser, buyable only in one system in the galaxy!).
 == Links ==
 *[https://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20088 BB Discussion]
-*[[User:Redspear|Redspear]]
+*[[New lasers]]
+*[[User:Redspear|Redspear]] for links to other OXPs such as Missile Combat reimagined, ''etc''.
 {{weapon-OXP}}

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	Why Change?		Why Change?
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		+	'''Warning: This page is unfinished. The analysis stands, but the evolution of the response (see BB thread) means that there is not a simple concise description of what this OXP currently does. This is being worked on ... but will take ti-i-i-i-ime!'''

	== Analysis ==		== Analysis ==

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	Traditionally the beam laser made the pulse laser obsolete and then the military laser did the same to the beam (by an even bigger margin). That suited the original Elite much better than it does Oolite IMHO and I think this might be a way to keep the flavour of the original weapons without some of the inherent problems.		Traditionally the beam laser made the pulse laser obsolete and then the military laser did the same to the beam (by an even bigger margin). That suited the original Elite much better than it does Oolite IMHO and I think this might be a way to keep the flavour of the original weapons without some of the inherent problems.
		+
		+	== Summary ==
		+	There are now FIVE categories of player laser - each with 3 different models.
		+	*'''Pulse lasers''' now have ''extended range''
		+	*'''Beam lasers''' have ''speed'' and are good for dogfights.
		+	*'''Military lasers''' are expensive all-rounders which heat up too quickly
		+	*'''Mining lasers''' are slow and ''powerful''
		+	*'''Bolt lasers''' are new: a weaker version of the military laser.

	== Links ==		== Links ==

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		+	[[File:Pulse laser small.jpg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|Pulse Laser]]
	Continuing [[User:Redspear\|my series]] of pompously titled oxps, I'm looking at lasers this time and I believe I can make them more fun.		Continuing [[User:Redspear\|my series]] of pompously titled oxps, I'm looking at lasers this time and I believe I can make them more fun.

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 *Canonically the military laser is twice the range and power of the beam laser - and it's nice to stick with canon if we can - so why not grant the extra range to the pulse laser?
-::''Ingram Model 1919A4 Pulse Laser is recommended for all positional laser mountings, but is especially effective for rear-shooting.'' (Elite Manual)
+{{QuoteText|Text=Ingram Model 1919A4 Pulse Laser is recommended for all positional laser mountings, but is especially effective for rear-shooting.|Source=[[The Space Traders Flight Training Manual]]}}
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 The beam laser is really a dogfighting weapon now but it's quite potent at that range and the mining laser is perhaps a passable weapon when pressed into service, as it was intended to be:
-::''Kruger Model ARM64 Sp. Mining laser is highly recommended as both a trade and combat addition.'' (Elite Manual)
+{{QuoteText|Text=Ingram Model 1919A4 Kruger Model ARM64 Sp. Mining laser is highly recommended as both a trade and combat addition.|Source=[[The Space Traders Flight Training Manual]]}}
 But what about player progression, upgrading your weapons?
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 Traditionally the beam laser made the pulse laser obsolete and then the military laser did the same to the beam (by an even bigger margin). That suited the original Elite much better than it does Oolite IMHO and I think this might be a way to keep the flavour of the original weapons without some of the inherent problems.
 == Links ==