Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy - Revision history

Phkb: /* Related Downloads */

2026-04-11T09:05:55Z

‎Related Downloads

Phkb: Updating BB links

2024-02-29T01:54:24Z

Updating BB links

Cholmondely: /* The solution */ Added Selezen's note on the reality

2023-03-29T11:34:46Z

‎The solution: Added Selezen's note on the reality

Cholmondely: /* Lore */ Added a thought

2023-01-19T14:02:31Z

‎Lore: Added a thought

Cholmondely: Structure! More links.

2022-02-28T14:04:28Z

Structure! More links.

Cholmondely: /* License */ Links!

2022-02-28T13:56:17Z

‎License: Links!

Cholmondely: Updated page for publication of .oxp!

2022-01-18T17:11:57Z

Updated page for publication of .oxp!

Cody: /* Download */

2022-01-17T21:36:47Z

‎Download

Cholmondely: Moved GitHub site link up to "Download" section

2021-12-21T13:09:23Z

Moved GitHub site link up to "Download" section

Cholmondely: /* HIMSN Lore & Development */ Added Tsoj's GitHub HIMSN site

2021-12-17T13:07:00Z

‎HIMSN Lore & Development: Added Tsoj's GitHub HIMSN site

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 === Related Downloads ===
-*[[Cataclysm OXP]] (mission is broken)
+*[[Cataclysm OXP]]
 *[[Classic X-ships]]
 *[[Xeptatl's Sword]] a cameo appearance (mission is broken)

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 A monarch is still in residence on Lave, and has governmental rule over one continent of the world. She retains control of the Space Navy in a purely patronising way (as in she is the PATRON of the Navy, not that she patronises it) but has no direct control over the way it is run.
-For the record, the current monarch is Queen Isabell, and she is over 90 years old. Her 67 year old son is much chagrined at her obstinate refusal to die, and is seeing his chances at taking the throne fade away with his health. He already has had most of his internal organs replaced in order to remain fit and healthy and eligible to take over the throne.|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=17024#p17024 Selezen, 2006])}}
+For the record, the current monarch is Queen Isabell, and she is over 90 years old. Her 67 year old son is much chagrined at her obstinate refusal to die, and is seeing his chances at taking the throne fade away with his health. He already has had most of his internal organs replaced in order to remain fit and healthy and eligible to take over the throne.|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=17024#p17024 Selezen, 2006])}}
 Note that Her Majesty becomes Her ''Imperial'' Majesty in later BB threads.
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 Over the years and decades, the name kind of sticks in certain areas, especially with those Naval officers who hail from Lave. they're kind of proud of it, and use it whenever they can. Other officers just use it to make everything sound impressive in front of the proles.
-Hence, Carruthers and that other bloke could either be trying to 'big themselves up' in front of our lowly pilot bloke or could actually be from Lave!|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=49734#p49734 Selezen])}}
+Hence, Carruthers and that other bloke could either be trying to 'big themselves up' in front of our lowly pilot bloke or could actually be from Lave!|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=49734#p49734 Selezen])}}
 And, the next post:
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 "Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy stands ready to do its duty."
-"So, you're an officer of 'Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy', are you?" (for best effect, try to imagine a frog making "quote marks" in the air with his fingers as he says this)|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=49735#p49735 Disembodied])}}
+"So, you're an officer of 'Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy', are you?" (for best effect, try to imagine a frog making "quote marks" in the air with his fingers as he says this)|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=49735#p49735 Disembodied])}}
 But, in 2012, we find a contrasting approach:
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 {{QuoteText|Text=If on the Wiki, one maybe would have to look back to page revisions previous to the release of Galactic Navy.oxp. The creator of the OXP changed the Elite backstory (and the Wiki) considerably in order to accommodate the massive military he created. I see that as a deviation from Elite canon, but because not many people are aware of that, and the OXP is one of the most recommended for newbies, this deviation from canon has (for many players) turned into canon. For me personally, one of the central points of canon, and in fact one of the defining characteristics of GalCop as an organisation is that it doesn't have a considerable naval force. The whacky and oddly-named "Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy" that you encounter in the two native missions is really all there is. It's mostly invisible, simply because there doesn't exist much to show. 16 capital ships (I'm in favour of Behemoth.oxp), an unspecified number of small fighters, and every licensed pilot as a reserve, that's it.
-The affectations of "Her Imperial Majesty's Navy" could be a courtesy to whatever monarch is being referred.|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=170541#p170541 Commander McLane])}}
+The affectations of "Her Imperial Majesty's Navy" could be a courtesy to whatever monarch is being referred.|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=170541#p170541 Commander McLane])}}
 And, for the record, Selezen's 2010 note on the reality:
-{{QuoteText|Text=The real-world reason for the discrepancy is that B&B wrote the game and Robert Holdstock wrote the manuals, and the only information they shared was the names of planets, races and ships. Mr Holdstock created the entire concept of GalCop himself.|Source=([http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118277#p118277 Selezen])}}
+{{QuoteText|Text=The real-world reason for the discrepancy is that B&B wrote the game and Robert Holdstock wrote the manuals, and the only information they shared was the names of planets, races and ships. Mr Holdstock created the entire concept of GalCop himself.|Source=([https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=118277#p118277 Selezen])}}
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 *[[Cobra2|Cobra2-X/Cobra2-C]]
 *[[Sidewinder-X]]
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=216156#p216156 Komodo Carrier] & [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=184228#p184228 Komodo lore]
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=216156#p216156 Komodo Carrier] & [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=184228#p184228 Komodo lore]
 == Original aims of HIMSN.oxp ==
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 * [[Mission One - FAQ|Interview with Captain Curruthers]]
 * See [[Sector5/The Tetiri Conclave (Region)|Tetiri Conclave (Region, Galaxy 5)]] & [[Sector5/Tetiri|Tetiri]]
-* There is an alternative lore of Her (non-Imperial) Majesty's Space Navy by [[User:Selezen|Selezen]] (2006) based on synthesising Elite, Frontier & Oolite. This has nothing to do with this oxp. It is found [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=17031#p17031 here].
+* There is an alternative lore of Her (non-Imperial) Majesty's Space Navy by [[User:Selezen|Selezen]] (2006) based on synthesising Elite, Frontier & Oolite. This has nothing to do with this oxp. It is found [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=17031#p17031 here].
 :•It is understood by this editor that the original lore on this wiki was mostly based on the [[Special:Contributions/Selezen|work of Selezen]].
 :•When Matt634 started the development of the Galactic Navy.oxp, he also started [[Special:Contributions/Matt634|weaving GN lore]] into relevant wiki pages and altering what was already there to present a seamless whole. Thus Selezen's work on Her Majesty's Space Navy was overwritten by descriptions of the Galactic Navy.
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 *[[Mission One - FAQ|Interview with Captain Curruthers]] (Dilbert, 2006)
 *[http://elite.acornarcade.com/archive/aftall.htm Fiction] by Simon Challands: note that Her Majesty is not Imperial here!
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1689 BB Thread] of Selezen's post: Background story of the Elite universe (2006): Queen Isabell of Lave and Her Majesty's (non-Imperial) Space Navy
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1689 BB Thread] of Selezen's post: Background story of the Elite universe (2006): Queen Isabell of Lave and Her Majesty's (non-Imperial) Space Navy
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=49729#p49729 BB Thread]: Discussion (2008)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=49729#p49729 BB Thread]: Discussion (2008)
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11923 BB Thread]: Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy (2012-14, (with later bumps) 51 pages long!!)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11923 BB Thread]: Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy (2012-14, (with later bumps) 51 pages long!!)
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=171236#p171236 HIMSN p14] Smiv's summary of the relationship between the Galactic Navy & HIMSN
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=171236#p171236 HIMSN p14] Smiv's summary of the relationship between the Galactic Navy & HIMSN
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=184203#p184203 HIMSN p18] Gimi's summary of the HIMSN project
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=184203#p184203 HIMSN p18] Gimi's summary of the HIMSN project
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=215603#p215603 HIMSN p27] link (broken) to first test .oxp for HIMSN (first of half a dozen)
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=215603#p215603 HIMSN p27] link (broken) to first test .oxp for HIMSN (first of half a dozen)
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=215838#p215838 HIMSN p32] Cim's second critique
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=215838#p215838 HIMSN p32] Cim's second critique
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=215916#p215916 HIMSN p34] Norby's synopsis of previous good ideas in the thread
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=215916#p215916 HIMSN p34] Norby's synopsis of previous good ideas in the thread
-:*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=233703#p233703 HIMSN p50] Abandonment of HIMSN due to a leaky pipe forcing purchase of new computer and consequent loss of Pleb (the Imperial Project Manager) to E:D
+:*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=233703#p233703 HIMSN p50] Abandonment of HIMSN due to a leaky pipe forcing purchase of new computer and consequent loss of Pleb (the Imperial Project Manager) to E:D
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18548 Material for potential "NVSecurity OXP"] Keeper's transformation of his input to "NVSecurity OXP" (2017)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18548 Material for potential "NVSecurity OXP"] Keeper's transformation of his input to "NVSecurity OXP" (2017)
 *[[Lave (Rough Guide)]] - see the bottom of the page for a cameo appearance.

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	The affectations of "Her Imperial Majesty's Navy" could be a courtesy to whatever monarch is being referred.\|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=170541#p170541 Commander McLane])}}		The affectations of "Her Imperial Majesty's Navy" could be a courtesy to whatever monarch is being referred.\|Source=([http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=170541#p170541 Commander McLane])}}
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		+	And, for the record, Selezen's 2010 note on the reality:
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		+	{{QuoteText\|Text=The real-world reason for the discrepancy is that B&B wrote the game and Robert Holdstock wrote the manuals, and the only information they shared was the names of planets, races and ships. Mr Holdstock created the entire concept of GalCop himself.\|Source=([http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118277#p118277 Selezen])}}
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	So we commence with HIMSN being a name for the Galactic Navy, but we then move on to it being quite distinct! Of course, Oolite being an individual game tailored by you for you, you can decide this for yourself!		So we commence with HIMSN being a name for the Galactic Navy, but we then move on to it being quite distinct! Of course, Oolite being an individual game tailored by you for you, you can decide this for yourself!

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 :•When Matt634 started the development of the Galactic Navy.oxp, he also started [[Special:Contributions/Matt634|weaving GN lore]] into relevant wiki pages and altering what was already there to present a seamless whole. Thus Selezen's work on Her Majesty's Space Navy was overwritten by descriptions of the Galactic Navy.
 :•HIMSN has a quite different lore to either of the afore-mentioned. The current lore on HIMSN was mostly developed by [[User:Disembodied|Disembodied]] in conjunction with [[User:Cody|Cody]] ''et al''. Whilst HIMSN and GN can probably exist side-by-side in your Ooniverse (HIMSN focused purely on fighting Thargoids, GN having a much much heavier presence and a much wider remit), you may well find their respective lores conflict! The editing of this editor attempts to present all views (in order to allow you, the reader, a choice). See [[Lore]] for more analysis of this.
 === Related Downloads ===

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 == Current status of HIMSN.oxp ==
-=== Development plan ===
+ === '''Development plan''' ===
-−
-==== Stage 1 - Eye Candy only ====
+ ==== '''Stage 1''' - Eye Candy only ====
-*Navy units from the core ship-set. ''done''
+ •Navy units from the core ship-set. <font color="Red">        ''done''       </font>
-*Navy stations. (HQ and Outpost) ''done''
+ •Navy stations. (HQ and Outpost)    <font color="Red">        ''done''       </font>
-*Basic scripting and AI behaviour. ''done''
+ •Basic scripting and AI behaviour.  <font color="Red">        ''done''       </font>
-−
-==== Stage 2 - Thargoid Interaction ====
+ ==== '''Stage 2''' - Thargoid Interaction ====
-*War zones with the Thargoids
+ •War zones with the Thargoids
-*Capital ships ''done''
+ •Capital ships                      <font color="Red">        ''done''       </font>
-*Yearly Parade
+ •Yearly Parade
-*Additional stations (Navy Shipyard and maybe some mission-related type of station)
+ •Additional stations (Navy Shipyard and maybe some mission-related type of station)
-*Intelligence/Special Operations type ships (e.g. production model of the Constrictor)
+ •Intelligence/Special Operations type ships (''eg''. production model of the Constrictor)
-*AI behaviour
+ •AI behaviour
-−
-==== Stage 3 - Missions ====
+ ==== '''Stage 3''' - Missions ====
-*Player Missions
+ •Player Missions
 == The Lore ==
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 == License ==
-*Authors: It was initially authored by Gimi, Pleb, Keeper, Smivs, Cody & Disembodied. (Also Storm?). <br>
+*Authors: It was initially authored by Gimi, [[User:Pleb87|Pleb]], [[Keeper]], [[User:Smivs|Smivs]], [[User:Cody|Cody]] & [[User:Disembodied|Disembodied]]. (Also Storm?). <br>
 :After a decade (!) of languishing by the wayside, [[User:Tsoj|Tsoj]] & [[User:Cbr|Cbr]] joined our community, completed the first stage and then published it on the in-game [[Expansions Manager]].
 *License: GPL v2+ & CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0

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 [[File:Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy.png|400px|thumb|right|The Navy to the rescue!]]
 This is an example of [[lore]] derived from the game code. You will find no mention of Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy ('''HIMSN''') in the literature which came with [[Classic Elite]] ([[The Space Traders Flight Training Manual|the Manual]] or the novels [[The Dark Wheel]] & [[Imprint]]). But many of the various versions of Elite included missions - and for at least one of these, the player was instructed by Captain Curruthers of Her Majesty's Space Navy! And in our own Oolite, Captain Curruthers of Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy once again materialises to seduce the unwary player into deeds of derring do!
-== The problem ==
+=== The problem ===
 So what ''is'' Her Imperial Majesty's Space Navy? All we know is that Curruthers is a Captain of it, and that he's joined there by a second Captain as well as an Agent in other missions!
 *Is it a forerunner of the Duval Empire which exists in Frontier/Elite 2 (but is conspicuously absent in Elite & Oolite)?
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 After prolonged confabulation amongst the early savants of Oolite, a consensus was reached.
-== The solution ==
+=== The solution ===
 If you are interested in a prolonged argument analysing the relationship between HIMSN & Elite/Oolite lore, click here! ==>
 <div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"  data-expandtext="Show solution" data-collapsetext="Hide solution" style="overflow:auto;">
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 {{QuoteText|Text=Here's a likely scenario. Lave is home to the GalCop offices and training facilities. Lave is a dictatorship (nothing in the manuals or fluff speak out against Lave being under the rule of an imperial monarch during the Elite era - the landmasses could be under the general control of the Firstfallian Empire). A hundred or so years ago, the emperor of the time began to get hissy about the fact that all these outworlders were travelling to Lave and not bringing any benefit to the economy, since they were just here to do some piddly little flight exam then bugger off, leaving all their litter and empty Reidquat Ale bottles lying around.
-So GalCop put together a committee, then a sub-committee, then an evaluation board, then a study group, then GalCop's president looks at all the proposals and says "bugger all that lot, let's just give the moaning-faced old git a fancy hereditary position and make up a title for him - how about Commander in Chief of the Navy!" Hence, to keep the old codger (the Emperor) happy, he's called Commander in Chief of All The Galactic Navy, and the Navy sometimes gets called His Imperial Majesty's Space Navy. Out of his earshot, it's still the darned Galactic Navy, but at least old royal bones has shut his face. He thinks he has some sway with the Navy and how it's run, but in reality there's about fifteen levels of beurocracy before any of his ideas even get to someone important.
+So GalCop put together a committee, then a sub-committee, then an evaluation board, then a study group, then GalCop's president looks at all the proposals and says "bugger all that lot, let's just give the moaning-faced old git a fancy hereditary position and make up a title for him - how about Commander in Chief of the Navy!" Hence, to keep the old codger (the Emperor) happy, he's called Commander in Chief of All The Galactic Navy, and the Navy sometimes gets called His Imperial Majesty's Space Navy. Out of his earshot, it's still the darned Galactic Navy, but at least old royal bones has shut his face. He thinks he has some sway with the Navy and how it's run, but in reality there's about fifteen levels of bureaucracy before any of his ideas even get to someone important.
 Over the years and decades, the name kind of sticks in certain areas, especially with those Naval officers who hail from Lave. they're kind of proud of it, and use it whenever they can. Other officers just use it to make everything sound impressive in front of the proles.
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 So we commence with HIMSN being a name for the Galactic Navy, but we then move on to it being quite distinct! Of course, Oolite being an individual game tailored by you for you, you can decide this for yourself!
 </div>
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 *[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=216156#p216156 Komodo Carrier] & [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=184228#p184228 Komodo lore]
-== Aims of HIMSN.oxp ==
+== Original aims of HIMSN.oxp ==
 Cody's Synopsis (based on quotes from the thread: Cody was involved in the HIMSN team):
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   The Navy is there if you go looking. If you do your normal trading, mining and bounty hunting you will never see them. They do not, under any circumstances, meddle in internal system politics. So, you will not be attacked by the Navy if you are an offender or even a fugitive for that matter. That is a police matter.
-''This oxp seems to have been effectively sabotaged by the emergence of E:D (which seduced away both Gimi & then Pleb)!''
+''This oxp was effectively sabotaged for almost a decade by the emergence of E:D (which seduced away both Gimi & then Pleb)!''
 == License ==
-*Authors: It was authored by Gimi, Pleb, Keeper, Smivs, Cody & Disembodied. (Also Storm?).
+*Authors: It was initially authored by Gimi, Pleb, Keeper, Smivs, Cody & Disembodied. (Also Storm?). After several years of languishing by the wayside, Tsoj & Cbr completed it and put it up on the in-game Expansions Manager.
 *License: GPL v2+ & CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0
 == Download ==
-* HIMSN 0.9 is now available from the in-game Expansion Manager.
+* HIMSN 0.9 is now available from the in-game [[Expansions Manager]].
 *[[File:Himsn_alpha_test.oxz|Functioning link]] to '''Himsn_alpha_test.oxz''' for HIMSN (the top/latest version is the current "beta" alpha version).
 *[https://github.com/tsoj/himsn GitHub] HIMSN development site (2021)