Galaxy Seeds - Revision history

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Cholmondely: Corrections (thanks, Wildeblood!) and tweaks.

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Cholmondely: /* Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator */ added note

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Cholmondely: /* Material */ Added Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator

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Cholmondely: /* Save-game file */ Added note

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Cholmondely: Added Phantorgorth's 3 candidate seeds, maps of 4 of his new galaxies, and relevant links

2022-02-27T13:25:23Z

Added Phantorgorth's 3 candidate seeds, maps of 4 of his new galaxies, and relevant links

Cholmondely: /* BB Discussions */ Added link to discussion of change on F7 screen

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‎BB Discussions: Added link to discussion of change on F7 screen

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 *[[Geography]] for thoughts on the 7ly jump limit and regional variations.
 *[[Exploration]] - on general issues with this in Oolite
 *Vaguely related: [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12111 Musings about stuff that I could do to the source code... ] (2012).
 *[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=262380#p262380 Use of the %G###### operator] (2018) for allowing extra galaxies
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 === Galaxy Seeds ===
 *Phantorgorth' Seeds will be found [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=175451#p175451 here] (2012 - links updated 2022, Maps by Wyvern)
 [[Category:Oolite]]

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 [[File:Oolite info 3D (Maaarcooose).png|thumb|right|400px|Maaarcooose's interactive map for tweaking galaxy seeds <br> Notice top lines of a complete list of systems beneath the map]]
 == Galaxy Seed ==
-The '''Galaxy Seed''' is the magic number which generates each galaxy/chart in the game. Change this seed, and you change the shape of the galaxy - and the depending on your version of Oolite - distribution of government systems, economic types ''etc'', ''etc''. The Galaxy seeds for [[The Eight]] are hardcoded into the game, but can also be read from the older Oolite Saved Game files if you want something different.
+The '''Galaxy Seed''' is the magic number which used to generate each galaxy/chart in the game. If you changed this seed, and you changed the shape of the galaxy, the distribution of government systems, economic types ''etc'', ''etc''. The Galaxy seeds for [[The Eight]] were hardcoded into the game, but could also be read from the older Oolite Saved Game (Jameson) files if you wanted something different. This was the system inherited from Classic Elite and was true through to Oolite v1.77.1. With Oolite v.1.80 it all changed, and the Galaxy Seeds are redundant in the newer versions of Oolite.
 The seed is a set of 6 numbers: the seed for Galaxy One (or ''Galaxy 0'' as it is labelled in the game code) is ''74 90 72 2 83 183''
 === Save-game file ===
-As mentioned above, the older save game files (''e.g.'': Oolite v.1.77) contain the galaxy seed:
+As mentioned above, the older save game files (''e.g.'': Oolite v.1.77.1) contain the galaxy seed:
   <key>galaxy_coordinates</key>
   <string>33 185</string>
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   <integer>0</integer>
   <key>galaxy_seed</key>
-  <string>74 90 72 2 83 183</string>
+  <string>74 90 72 2 83 183</string>                  <- changing this changes the entire galaxy!
 (note that this is ''not'' in hexadecimal)

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 === Interactive Maps ===
 *By Maaarcooose. [http://www.theramist.co.uk/ooliteinfo/oo.php OoLiteInfo PHP Version!] you can change the galaxy seeds and see the results on both the map ''and'' on the planet names/descriptions
-*By Phantorgorth. [http://www.pcooper.net/oolite/OoliteInteractiveMap.html Oolite Interactive Map]. [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=190952#p190952 Discussion here]. You can change the galaxy seed and generate a different galaxy. You can then inspect your new seed with the Interactive Map and see if it makes any sense for the game (''ie'' a really useful and exciting new galaxy, all TL 1 anarchies, each more than 7ly distant from every neighbour!).
+*By Phantorgorth. [http://www.pcooper.net/oolite/OoliteInteractiveMap.html Oolite Interactive Map]. [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=190952#p190952 Discussion here]. You can change the galaxy seed and generate a different galaxy. You can then inspect your new seed with the Interactive Map and see if it makes any sense for the game (''ie'' a really useful and exciting new galaxy, all TL 1 anarchies, each more than 7ly distant from every neighbour!).
 [[File:SOTL Altmap F6.png|thumb|right|320px|Part of the first galaxy from SOTL Altmap <br> (AT systems tend to be uninhabited)]]
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 *[https://github.com/Retrov1si0n/OoliteGalaxyGenerator/releases Download Oolite Galaxy Generator v1.0.1]
 ::Creates new galaxies for Oolite, but ''not'' the F7 page descriptions. Only works for Windows computers, but created galaxies presumably work on anything once created!
-::Discussion is here [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21030 (BETA TOOL) Oolite Galaxy Generator] & here [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=278686#p278686 More/ larger galaxies]
+::Discussion is here [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21030 (BETA TOOL) Oolite Galaxy Generator] & here [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=278686#p278686 More/ larger galaxies]
 === Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator ===
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 === PhantorGorth's Galaxy Seeds ===
-In 2012 Phantorgorth produced three candidate galaxy seeds with maps of the 8 galaxies derived from each seed. By using the Interactive Maps above, one can see the names/properties of each of the generated systems in each of these.  Post with details [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=175451#p175451 here] (2012).
+In 2012 Phantorgorth produced three candidate galaxy seeds with maps of the 8 galaxies derived from each seed. By using the Interactive Maps above, one can see the names/properties of each of the generated systems in each of these.  Post with details [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=175451#p175451 here] (2012).
 === Galactic Hyperdrive XG Template ===
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=174714#p174714 Template for a Galactic Hyperdrive XG] to reach more galaxies (Wildeblood, 2012). You need to know how to manipulate the Galaxy Seeds, and rejig all sorts of code. Note: Wildeblood removed some of his material from his box sites when he left the BB back c. 2016. See also Wildeblood's [[Alternative Ooniverses OXP]].
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=174714#p174714 Template for a Galactic Hyperdrive XG] to reach more galaxies (Wildeblood, 2012). You need to know how to manipulate the Galaxy Seeds, and rejig all sorts of code. Note: Wildeblood removed some of his material from his box sites when he left the BB back c. 2016. See also Wildeblood's [[Alternative Ooniverses OXP]].
 == BB Discussions ==
-There have been quite a few discussions on the subject - the earliest being in [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1170 2005!]
+There have been quite a few discussions on the subject - the earliest being in [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1170 2005!]
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=156995#p156995 The essential spirit of Oolite?] (2011) - see Wildeblood's & Aegidian's posts.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=156995#p156995 The essential spirit of Oolite?] (2011) - see Wildeblood's & Aegidian's posts.
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12049 Galaxy seeds and system properties] (2012) - how to do it, examples of seeds (p8), etc.  This thread has less than the typical amount of off-topic noise, and so far about 150 on-topic posts discussing alternative and additional galaxies. There are example seeds and images of the charts they will produce, there are instructions for using them by modifying a save file, there are instructions for modifying Oolite to use either alternative galaxies or additional galaxies, there are explanations of what functions will work normally and what won't.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12049 Galaxy seeds and system properties] (2012) - how to do it, examples of seeds (p8), etc.  This thread has less than the typical amount of off-topic noise, and so far about 150 on-topic posts discussing alternative and additional galaxies. There are example seeds and images of the charts they will produce, there are instructions for using them by modifying a save file, there are instructions for modifying Oolite to use either alternative galaxies or additional galaxies, there are explanations of what functions will work normally and what won't.
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=212583#p212583 More/ larger galaxies] (2013): on/off switch for another 8 galaxies, more (512) systems/galaxy... Summary at the end.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=212583#p212583 More/ larger galaxies] (2013): on/off switch for another 8 galaxies, more (512) systems/galaxy... Summary at the end.
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20355 281-and-a-half TRILLION galaxies...] (2019) - useful analysis at start - see Stranger's wry quip at the end!
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20355 281-and-a-half TRILLION galaxies...] (2019) - useful analysis at start - see Stranger's wry quip at the end!
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20857 Fun star map] (2021) - Stranger and Redspear raise some good points.
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20857 Fun star map] (2021) - Stranger and Redspear raise some good points.
-*In 2012 some of the F7 screen descriptions started changing from those generated by the Galaxy Seeds - ''i.e.'' from the original descriptions in Classic Elite. See [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13047 Tiared Oddity].
+*In 2012 some of the F7 screen descriptions started changing from those generated by the Galaxy Seeds - ''i.e.'' from the original descriptions in Classic Elite. See [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13047 Tiared Oddity].
 == Critique ==
-*Comments of [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=175510#p175510 Cim (2012)]:
+*Comments of [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=175510#p175510 Cim (2012)]:
 Well, with 2048 systems in the original 8, it's not as if the average player - or even a committed member of the Explorer's Club - is going to visit them all in a hurry. So an extra 2048 from another 8 galaxies which are more of the same (but with fewer content or mission OXPs available) doesn't immediately sound appealing. What they need is interesting stories that couldn't be told in the original 8.
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 Incidentally, this is why the 7LY jump limit is for me the ''key thing that makes Oolite what it is''. With the jump limit increased by a mere 0.2LY, for instance, a jump from Bexe to Zaenza becomes possible, and the [[Sector5/The Steel Halo (Region)|Steel Halo]] in Gal 5 goes from being an extremely interesting branch with one story already set there - and at least one other very obvious story no-one's yet published - to being a relatively dull cluster of industrial and semi-industrial worlds.
-*Stranger's critique of endless and empty universes of possibility is found here: [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21083 Stranger's Roolite Essay] (2021 translation).
+*Stranger's critique of endless and empty universes of possibility is found here: [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21083 Stranger's Roolite Essay] (2021 translation).
 [[File:SOTL Exploration.png|thumb|right|320px|SOTL Exploration]]
-[[File:Goatsoup (Graphviz).png|thumb|right|600px|[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21443 Graphviz representation] of Planetary description process used up to Oolite v.1.80 (description taken directly from Galaxy Seeds)]]
+[[File:Goatsoup (Graphviz).png|thumb|right|600px|[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21443 Graphviz representation] of Planetary description process used up to Oolite v.1.80 (description taken directly from Galaxy Seeds)]]
 == Links ==
 *[[Random number generator]] - see ''Initial seed values for each Galaxy''
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 *[[Geography]] for thoughts on the 7ly jump limit and regional variations.
 *[[Exploration]] - on general issues with this in Oolite
-*Vaguely related: [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12111 Musings about stuff that I could do to the source code... ] (2012).
+*Vaguely related: [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12111 Musings about stuff that I could do to the source code... ] (2012).
-*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=262380#p262380 Use of the %G###### operator] (2018) for allowing extra galaxies
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=262380#p262380 Use of the %G###### operator] (2018) for allowing extra galaxies
 === "Discovery" OXPs for exploring the new galaxies ===
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 === Galaxy Seeds ===
-*Phantorgorth' Seeds will be found [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=175451#p175451 here] (2012 - links updated 2022, Maps by Wyvern)
+*Phantorgorth' Seeds will be found [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?p=175451#p175451 here] (2012 - links updated 2022, Maps by Wyvern)
 [[Category:Oolite]]

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 === Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator ===
-*[[Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator]]
+*[[Cim's Oolite Galaxy Generator]] (for Windows only)
 === Working examples of new galaxies ===

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 [[File:SOTL Exploration.png|thumb|right|320px|SOTL Exploration]]
 == Links ==
 *[[Random number generator]] - see ''Initial seed values for each Galaxy''