EliteWiki:Village pump - Revision history

Phkb at 01:39, 29 February 2024

2024-02-29T01:39:30Z

Cholmondely: Added note

2023-01-17T14:03:56Z

Added note

Murgh: /* Patrolling Edits */ reply on patrolling

2022-01-31T00:36:30Z

‎Patrolling Edits: reply on patrolling

Murgh: /* OXP oversight, ships oversight */ modify my prev idea

2022-01-30T12:32:58Z

‎OXP oversight, ships oversight: modify my prev idea

Murgh: /* OXP oversight, ships oversight */ reply

2022-01-27T00:07:09Z

‎OXP oversight, ships oversight: reply

Cholmondely: What is "patrolling an edit"?

2022-01-26T22:07:56Z

What is "patrolling an edit"?

Cholmondely: /* OXP oversight, ships oversight */ Response

2022-01-26T19:45:26Z

‎OXP oversight, ships oversight: Response

Murgh: propose tidying the oxp-oxpships bundle

2022-01-26T19:23:03Z

propose tidying the oxp-oxpships bundle

Murgh: add shortcutnote, add to header

2022-01-26T18:28:47Z

add shortcutnote, add to header

Murgh: /* Redirects */ big job

2022-01-02T21:54:24Z

‎Redirects: big job

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-Although most of the discussions around the EliteWiki take place on the [http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php Oolite Bulletin Board] these days, below is a fine place to put issues into concise discussion and concrete proposals.
+Although most of the discussions around the EliteWiki take place on the [https://bb.oolite.space/index.php Oolite Bulletin Board] these days, below is a fine place to put issues into concise discussion and concrete proposals.
 New topics should be placed on top.
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 ===Deletions===
 Just to preserve the history of this for future reference:
-*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16026 Capt Solo is deleting his stuff on the wiki] (2013)
+*[https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16026 Capt Solo is deleting his stuff on the wiki] (2013)
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 : Update: I had a look at who are [http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop admins], and I noticed that none of the 5 admins has edited EliteWiki for the last year, and one of them made a total of [http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:Contributions/Star_Gazer 11 edits] over 5 years ago. I see I'm going to have to be patient. :) [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] 12:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
-:: Yep. And I doubt that anybody reads this. Your best bet is to contact Maik through the [http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php Oolite-BB].  [[User:Svengali|Svengali]] 16:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
+:: Yep. And I doubt that anybody reads this. Your best bet is to contact Maik through the [https://bb.oolite.space/index.php Oolite-BB].  [[User:Svengali|Svengali]] 16:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 ::: By the way, I think it would be a good idea to de-sysop at least that one editor who never really edited. Probably was a mistake he was made admin. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] 09:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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 :The titles looks to me like good choices but where will the redirects lead. Will they not have their own pages? Oh, because you would rather the OXP suffix not appear in the category? <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 17:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
-Not quite. [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9254&p=281490#p281490 Switeck said] that he did not see the point of them having their own pages. So they are now detailed on his just created user:page, but to have oxp-category tags on that particular page seems misleading to me. Hence creating redirects which can become oxp pages in their own right in the fullness of time.
+Not quite. [https://bb.oolite.space/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9254&p=281490#p281490 Switeck said] that he did not see the point of them having their own pages. So they are now detailed on his just created user:page, but to have oxp-category tags on that particular page seems misleading to me. Hence creating redirects which can become oxp pages in their own right in the fullness of time.
 ::''Cholmondeley 17:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)''

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	== Discussions ==		== Discussions ==
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		+	Just to preserve the history of this for future reference:
		+	*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16026 Capt Solo is deleting his stuff on the wiki] (2013)

	===OXP oversight, ships oversight===		===OXP oversight, ships oversight===

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	::''Cholmondeley 22:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)''		::''Cholmondeley 22:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)''

		+	:I didn't see you down there.
		+	:The regular recent changes link doesn't show me anything out of the ordinary, but if you are referring to seeing the new feature of seeing a "patrol edit" tag or the red exclamation marks next to an edit by not one of us two, this is not something to worry about on an intimate wiki of our size.
		+	:–On ''big'' wikipedia where a thousand edits pr ten minutes scroll by, by legions of all types of users and anonymous editors behind IPnumbers, it helps the team of admins to see what has been looked at and what remains unchecked in the constant, exhausting battle against spamming, tomfoolery, shithousery and all other shapes of wikivandalism. A trusted minority of WPusers have "autopatrolled rights", so they alleviate a little from this workload.
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		+	:Obviously all the good and estimable souls who contribute here could be autopatrollers, but I haven't spotted the relevant grant user tight feature and guess the settings/software hasn't been set to include it. Anyway, it's a "massive wiki" issue, so the thing is to ignore it. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 00:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
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	:And yes, Library is one of those bugbears. The name ought to inform us that it is an external tool, and not one of the many other possible interpretations. It's pesky that its roots have spread so deep, but I think it's a worthwhile tidy. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 00:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)		:And yes, Library is one of those bugbears. The name ought to inform us that it is an external tool, and not one of the many other possible interpretations. It's pesky that its roots have spread so deep, but I think it's a worthwhile tidy. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 00:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	<small>Mr. Cholmondeley wrote: ''"As regards an article that covers both a ship and the OXP it is delivered by, why not have both articles. Although some text will be repeated, this also allows for a division of in-world text and technical text...."''</small>
		+	:Having thought it a bit more through, I must modify: trying to accomplish this in a strict librarian way seems excessive and a potentially little style intrusive. In so many cases of one/few-ship OXPs, individual pages would be impractical, but the above result of proper category representation can be achieved with redirects that have the cat tags. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

	=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===		=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===

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 As regards ''an article that covers both a ship and the OXP it is delivered by, why not have both articles. Although some text will be repeated, this also allows for a division of in-world text and technical text.''... the one related issue which will need consideration is the focus on the vanilla game on the one hand versus the focus on individual OXPs on the other. I wonder if it would be useful to have pages with suggestions for gaming in [[Strangers World]], for example - rather than just descriptions of the individual oxp's. I have tried to work on this with, for example, the [[Economics]] & [[Oolite Trading]] pages. But I wonder if advice on using [[Market Observer]] with [[Market Inquirer]] might also have some value.
 ::''Cholmondeley 19:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)'' </font>
 === Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===

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	So, this is a task I wouldn't mind taking on, but I would of course like to hear opinions from others. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 19:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)		So, this is a task I wouldn't mind taking on, but I would of course like to hear opinions from others. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 19:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	<font size="1">'''Initial thoughts.'''
		+	I found the wiki page entitled "Library" confusing - it is an oxp and I would have preferred Library.oxp or Library OXP
		+	Especially with the various other uses of Library in the game (''eg'' on the first "GUI" before one chooses one's Jameson: ''View Ship Library'').
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		+	Other than that, I have no strong views. Your suggestion makes sense but I lack the experience to judge if it has hidden pitfalls. You have experience which I don't. And now that we have deletion rights, if your suggestion turns out mistaken, it will be easy to rectify.
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		+	As regards ''an article that covers both a ship and the OXP it is delivered by, why not have both articles. Although some text will be repeated, this also allows for a division of in-world text and technical text.''... the one related issue which will need consideration is the focus on the vanilla game on the one hand versus the focus on individual OXPs on the other. I wonder if it would be useful to have pages with suggestions for gaming in [[Strangers World]], for example - rather than just descriptions of the individual oxp's. I have tried to work on this with, for example, the [[Economics]] & [[Oolite Trading]] pages. But I wonder if advice on using [[Market Observer]] with [[Market Inquirer]] might also have some value.
		+	::''Cholmondeley 19:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)'' </font>

	=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===		=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===

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	== Discussions ==		== Discussions ==
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		+	===OXP oversight, ships oversight===
		+	I propose a structured system for naming all OXP/OXZ pages in a uniform manner, now that there are tools in the hand for implementing it.
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		+	As is, articles about an OXP may be titled by simply by its name, or name.OXP or name[space]OXP, and I think it would be nice to give this both the clarity of letting the reader instantly know what the article is about, being able to arrive directly from the search window, and remove confusion when an article is ''not'' about an OXP. For category uses, this would also be an improvement.
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		+	I suggest that for an article that covers both a ship and the OXP it is delivered by, why not have both articles. Although some text will be repeated, this also allows for a division of in-world text and technical text. And for category uses, this would also be an improvement.
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		+	So, this is a task I wouldn't mind taking on, but I would of course like to hear opinions from others. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 19:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

	=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===		=== Updating OXZ pages on the wiki ===

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+:''Shortcut: EW:VP redirects here''</br>
-Most of the discussions around the EliteWiki happen on the [http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php Oolite Bulletin Board] these days.
+Although most of the discussions around the EliteWiki take place on the [http://aegidian.org/bb/index.php Oolite Bulletin Board] these days, below is a fine place to put issues into conccise discussion and concrete proposals.
 New topics should be placed on top.

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	::''To my mind, it would be better to make this change. Uniform use of lower case for all words following the first in section headers makes for a more predictable format that would for instance allow wikilinking to work with less work, much more smoothly. There are some great reasons this is foundation stone MoS.'' <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]]		::''To my mind, it would be better to make this change. Uniform use of lower case for all words following the first in section headers makes for a more predictable format that would for instance allow wikilinking to work with less work, much more smoothly. There are some great reasons this is foundation stone MoS.'' <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]]
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		+	:::Yes I agree entirely with the gentleman, the exception being capitalisation of titles (in English, many other languages not) and proper nouns. It seems a big ask to go about altering every OXP title where this convention most likely is overwhelmingly uniform. Especially as EliteWiki's own MoS managed to get stuck with the maxim that there should be ''indiscriminate'' use of capitals. But yes, I'm for it. <font size="-6">OLD</font>[[User:Murgh\|<font size="-1">M</font><font size="-3" >URGH</font>]] [[User talk:Murgh\|<font size="-5"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 21:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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