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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Dylan_Smith&amp;diff=86895</id>
		<title>Talk:Dylan Smith</title>
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		<updated>2025-08-02T15:00:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: /* Damon Winston in &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;HI, the navigation panel links to [[EliteWiki:Community_Portal]] but I've not seen annything like this  around here. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 08:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi - me again :) I made a [[User:Makarius#Delete-request-list|short list]] of articles to be deleted (but don't know, where to put it). Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 19:26, 26 May 2008 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== spam bot ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
HI, [[User:734_buy_hytrin]] is a spam bot. I deleted the content on his user page (just check out the old version) -&amp;gt; plase delete the user. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 08:52, 29 June 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hi, some more spam bots occured. All names contain 'buy' or something alike. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 10:21, 6 July 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Winston, can I help to clean up? I've seen that there're again new 'users' who have created pages. Just tell me what to do (here or per pm). [[User:Svengali|Svengali]] 22:18, 10 July 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, I collected some pages to delete via link at [[User:Makarius#Delete-request-list|my user page]]. Can we collect them somewhere, where some mod is checking and deleting them? You are the only Mod (and SysOp) here. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 07:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Parser functions extension ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Winston, any chance that the parser functions extension gets installed?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Damon Winston in &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dear Mr. Smith&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for alioth.net and Oolite-Linux; they are where I spend most of my time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(I've tried to send you a private message on bb.oolite.space two weeks ago, but it's still hanging around my outbox. Last week, I also looked up https://web.archive.org/web/20000523143419/http://www.alioth.net/Contacts/index.html, and I hoped that one of the indicated email addresses still worked, but it now seems doubtful. Now I'm trying here on your wiki page.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(1) How old was Damon Winston during the events of &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; (2006)?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(2) Also, was there ever any relationship in your mind, when writing &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot;, between Kim, the Virtuous' engineer, and the mother of Rif Hood of &amp;quot;Imprint&amp;quot; fame, the 1991 PC &amp;quot;Elite Plus&amp;quot; novella?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Imprint (1991) p. i10:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He recalled his mother’s enforced separation from her ship, left recovering on an Anlama Station from a blasted leg and he imagined a similar dockside scene as that Python limped in to be met by a med-unit. Had she looked as pale and fragile as the women in the mobile? Hood tried to catch a glimpse of her as the mobile side slid shut. He doubted it. His mother had never said but he’d lay money on her having walked unaided from the berth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
p. i32, paras. 5 - 6:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Forget the odds; they’re weighed heavily against us. We make our own possibilities and we believe in ourselves”. Meridian had invoked what had seemed like the one truth, her face had come alive and she looked young and whole.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It was a look that reminded him of his mother’s stories when he was little, where she would weave a tale of magic and adventure and Rif would imagine that she was famous throughout the galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Virtuous Misfortune (2006) p. 1, par. 4:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then the engineer, Kim, a middle aged woman who probably could have done with a bit of vanity. On an old crate like ours, she was normally up to her elbows in various lubricants, or with coils of fibre optic cables over her shoulders. She was strangely attractive despite being just a tad overweight and having layers of grime caked under her fingernails.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for considering my questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Best regards&lt;br /&gt;
user&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>User2357</name></author>
		
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Dylan_Smith&amp;diff=86894</id>
		<title>Talk:Dylan Smith</title>
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		<updated>2025-08-02T14:59:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: /* Damon Winston in &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;HI, the navigation panel links to [[EliteWiki:Community_Portal]] but I've not seen annything like this  around here. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 08:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi - me again :) I made a [[User:Makarius#Delete-request-list|short list]] of articles to be deleted (but don't know, where to put it). Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 19:26, 26 May 2008 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== spam bot ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
HI, [[User:734_buy_hytrin]] is a spam bot. I deleted the content on his user page (just check out the old version) -&amp;gt; plase delete the user. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 08:52, 29 June 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hi, some more spam bots occured. All names contain 'buy' or something alike. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 10:21, 6 July 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Winston, can I help to clean up? I've seen that there're again new 'users' who have created pages. Just tell me what to do (here or per pm). [[User:Svengali|Svengali]] 22:18, 10 July 2009 (BST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, I collected some pages to delete via link at [[User:Makarius#Delete-request-list|my user page]]. Can we collect them somewhere, where some mod is checking and deleting them? You are the only Mod (and SysOp) here. Greetings: [[User:Makarius|Makarius]] 07:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Parser functions extension ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Winston, any chance that the parser functions extension gets installed?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Damon Winston in &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dear Mr. Smith&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for alioth.net and Oolite-Linux; they are where I spend most of my time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(I've tried to send you a private message on bb.oolite.space two weeks ago, but it's still hanging around my outbox. Last week, I also looked up https://web.archive.org/web/20000523143419/http://www.alioth.net/Contacts/index.html, and I hoped that one of the indicated email addresses still worked, but it now seems doubtful. Now I'm trying here on your wiki page.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(1) How old was Damon Winston during the events of &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot; (2006)?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(2) Also, was there ever any relationship in your mind, when writing &amp;quot;The Virtuous Misfortune&amp;quot;, between Kim, the Virtuous' engineer, and the mother of Rif Hood of &amp;quot;Imprint&amp;quot; fame, the 1991 PC &amp;quot;Elite Plus&amp;quot; novella?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Imprint (1991) p. i10:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He recalled his mother’s enforced separation from her ship, left recovering on an Anlama Station from a blasted leg and he imagined a similar dockside scene as that Python limped in to be met by a med-unit. Had she looked as pale and fragile as the women in the mobile? Hood tried to catch a glimpse of her as the mobile side slid shut. He doubted it. His mother had never said but he’d lay money on her having walked unaided from the berth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
p. i32, paras. 5 - 6:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
“Forget the odds; they’re weighed heavily against us. We make our own possibilities and we believe in ourselves”. Meridian had invoked what had seemed like the one truth, her face had come alive and she looked young and whole.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It was a look that reminded him of his mother’s stories when he was little, where she would weave a tale of magic and adventure and Rif would imagine that she was famous throughout the galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Virtuous Misfortune (2006) p. 1, par. 4:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then the engineer, Kim, a middle aged woman who probably could have done with a bit of vanity. On an old crate like ours, she was normally up to her elbows in various lubricants, or with coils of fibre optic cables over her shoulders. She was strangely attractive despite being just a tad overweight and having layers of grime caked under her fingernails.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for considering my questions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Best regards&lt;br /&gt;
user&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>User2357</name></author>
		
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Sector3/Sobiondi&amp;diff=84399</id>
		<title>Sector3/Sobiondi</title>
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		<updated>2024-08-31T10:11:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Removed redundant entries&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{System|Name=Sobiondi|Sector=3|System=202|XPos=240|YPos=237|Location=|Government=7|Economy=5|Techlevel=7|Population=3.7|Inhabitants=Fierce Furry Rodents|Productivity=16280|PlanetRadius=4848|MapX=240|MapY=118}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Copy and edit the following box for a smaller &amp;quot;System Box&amp;quot; for fictions or OXPs&lt;br /&gt;
{{SmallSystem|Name=Sobiondi|Sector=3|System=202|XPos=240|YPos=237|Location=|Government=7|Economy=5|Techlevel=7|Population=3.7|Inhabitants=Fierce Furry Rodents|Productivity=16280|PlanetRadius=4848}}&lt;br /&gt;
End of the small system box --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{GalacticCatalogueEntry|Name=Sobiondi|Sector=3|System=202|Description=This world is reasonably well known for its great volcanoes but ravaged by vicious disease.}}&lt;br /&gt;
== Witchspace Routes ==&lt;br /&gt;
There are 9 direct Witchspace Routes from/to Sobiondi:&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceHeader}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Arbema|Sector=3|System=28|Distance=2.8|Government=2|Economy=3|Techlevel=8|Population=3.4|Productivity=11424|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Quceri|Sector=3|System=47|Distance=5.6|Government=6|Economy=3|Techlevel=10|Population=4.6|Productivity=25760|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Esleusbe|Sector=3|System=53|Distance=5.2|Government=7|Economy=2|Techlevel=10|Population=4.6|Productivity=32384|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Edriat|Sector=3|System=68|Distance=4.0|Government=6|Economy=3|Techlevel=10|Population=4.6|Productivity=25760|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Tionrebi|Sector=3|System=70|Distance=6.4|Government=5|Economy=7|Techlevel=7|Population=3.7|Productivity=7992|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Rerebi|Sector=3|System=164|Distance=5.2|Government=6|Economy=6|Techlevel=6|Population=3.3|Productivity=10560|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Laorbila|Sector=3|System=181|Distance=2.4|Government=7|Economy=4|Techlevel=10|Population=4.8|Productivity=25344|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Esaesge|Sector=3|System=221|Distance=1.6|Government=3|Economy=6|Techlevel=7|Population=3.4|Productivity=7616|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceEntry|Name=Islaenbi|Sector=3|System=248|Distance=6.8|Government=0|Economy=2|Techlevel=9|Population=4.1|Productivity=8960|Routes=}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WitchspaceFooter}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LocalAreaMapHeader|Name=Sobiondi|Sector=3|X=240|Y=237|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Arbema|RX=-2|RY=14|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Quceri|RX=14|RY=-2|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Esleusbe|RX=12|RY=13|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Edriat|RX=10|RY=-2|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Tionrebi|RX=7|RY=-30|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Rerebi|RX=-7|RY=-23|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Laorbila|RX=6|RY=-1|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Esaesge|RX=-1|RY=9|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapEntry|Name=Islaenbi|RX=-17|RY=11|Radius=4}}{{LocalAreaMapFooter}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trade ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{PricelistEconomy5}}&lt;br /&gt;
== OXPs ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Routes and Regions ===&lt;br /&gt;
==== Triskelion Conduit ====&lt;br /&gt;
Sobiondi is part of the [[Sector3/Triskelion Conduit (Route)|Triskelion Conduit]] route.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80824</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-19T13:36:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: The wiki interface is borked, but let's give it all the love we can anyway. (My love is about spent, though.)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
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 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
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 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
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 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename the highest-resolution version to &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo4.png&amp;quot;, re-upload it, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) (Only the highest-resolution version is required, since the ''Elite'' Wiki apparently has the capability to scale images.)&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The file-delete option that I thought I saw previously, apparently is not available to me (anymore?)... There goes my perfect plan in the pants! :/&lt;br /&gt;
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This was now discovered after uploading a new version of one of the logo-image files I had uploaded recently, and the new version of the image NOT being replaced into the location where the file is called... This is frustrating. ...when functionality apparently does not function as it is supposedly supposed to. Hm. :/&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 06:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You need to speak with Maik (if he has any spare time) about deletion - he understands how it works, and understands rather more about how this wiki works than I do. I'm unhappy to delete something when I don't understand what the consequences are - and I don't. Look what happened when Hiran started deleting stuff on GitHub a couple of months ago - and he's a professional programmer! (http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21457)&lt;br /&gt;
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::''Cholmondeley 08:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Nah. I don't think I'll bother Maik.&lt;br /&gt;
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The interface is less than what is optimal for all our spare times, at the moment.&lt;br /&gt;
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Been looking at fandom.com a bit... Not sure if their copyleft policy clashes with any ''Oolite'' licensing, though.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, (1) the ''Elite'' Wiki is here at alioth.net already (thanks to Dylan Smith); (2) migrating it... huge job, methinks; (3) not sure exactly why the grass seems greener on the other side, but it might be, as is usual, because of more plentiful manure... :/&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess what I'm saying, is: should the alioth.net ''Elite'' Wiki ''ever'' become borked beyond all practicality anymore, fandom.com might be an alternative that could be considered. In the meanwhile, let's keep what we know we've got.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80823</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &amp;quot;Failing italics ...&amp;quot;, + corrected &amp;quot;Fer-de-Lance&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc. Failing italics in this particular case, quotation marks, i.e. 'Elite', should be used.&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, italics might also be used for emphasis referring to an Elite combat rating, but this fourth distinct meaning should be clear from the context within which it is applied. Failing italics for emphasis, ALLCAPS, or another, similar designation, could be used.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style. It seems as if such distinctions might lend some greater credibility to an author, by indicating that they are actually aware of the subtleties of the various contexts within which they operate.&lt;br /&gt;
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While we're considering upper and lower cases... Regarding ship make and model names, an anaconda is a snake, but an Anaconda is a type of spaceship in GalCop Space. (Just as it is not a mazda mx-5, but a Mazda MX-5.) For consistency, it is recommended that all ship-types (and models) should be identified by initial capitals, even non-animal-types, e.g.: Mk I, Mk II, Mk III, Star Boat, (Orbit) Shuttle, Warship, Robot Fighter, Transporter, Interceptor, etc. ('Star Boat' seems to be a derivation of 'spaceship', and should therefore, ideally, also have been a single word 'Starboat', but decades of misspelling have now made it what it is.) ... However, Fer-de-Lance (lower-case 'de', and hyphenated), not Fer De Lance.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
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Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Branding</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-15T06:36:29Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Goodbye. :'(&lt;/p&gt;
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= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games do not seem to have had any significant brand-variations along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' logos and icons will also be included, but [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite+dangerous+logos&amp;amp;va=p&amp;amp;atb=v355-1&amp;amp;iax=images&amp;amp;ia=images ''Elite: Dangerous''] has an impractically-large amount of branding for the purposes of the simple historical-record intended here.&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.). However, the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down -- as if &amp;quot;quasi-[https://www.languagehumanities.org/what-is-a-chiastic-structure.htm chiastically]&amp;quot; in the central focal-point of the nine topic-sections -- he is briefly introduced... but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph; and in [https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15od2s/comment/c7qdaj8/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;amp;utm_term=1&amp;amp;utm_content=share_button David Braben's 2013 reddit ''Elite: Dangerous'' AMA], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of the original ''Elite'' logo. (The [https://mythology.net/mythical-creatures/griffin/ &amp;quot;Griffin thing&amp;quot;], as mentioned by Braben, as a supposed element of the ''Elite'' logo, is debatable, though.)&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;gt; 7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click &amp;gt; Save Image As...) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;gt; 16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;gt; 12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;gt; Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Caveat &amp;amp; HowTo =&lt;br /&gt;
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The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot;, rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg originally-intended, '''best'''] version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward issue, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever guidelines might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore -- ''if in doubt'' -- it is safer, in terms of the preservation of the historical integrity of the ''Elite'' Wiki (although it also requires more work), to upload a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file under a correspondingly-new filename with the intention of replacing the old version on subsequent (and not previous, historical) wikipages. When a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following methodology is recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''HowTo'''&lt;br /&gt;
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On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and then the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink that is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Minitrue]-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme, although not implemented as yet, is also recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
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If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
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1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
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The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs.&lt;br /&gt;
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From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;ascending to the next level&amp;quot; (3D), &amp;quot;accelerating&amp;quot;, and then also &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were; c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover (even extending off-page), 1985 ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual's] title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;), all subtly communicate this repeated motif as well. In comparison with the other logos, and within itself, the 1991 ''Elite Plus'' simulator's logo also adds an extra, juxtaposed element of realism...&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2004&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Oolite-logo1.png|128px|Aegidian LiveJournal 100px x 100px userpic]]&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
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1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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Wiki functionality is broken for me. I did what I could, to the best of my abilities, but I am apparently not capable/allowed to do what needs to be done here further anymore. Thanks. It's been fun, while it lasted. I'll leave this in the capable hands of other, more powerful people now.&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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2011&lt;br /&gt;
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2023&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
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The font used in-game is a custom, mono-spaced font. ''Oolite'' does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80774</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80774"/>
		<updated>2024-01-15T06:29:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: signature added&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
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If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
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Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename the highest-resolution version to &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo4.png&amp;quot;, re-upload it, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) (Only the highest-resolution version is required, since the ''Elite'' Wiki apparently has the capability to scale images.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The file-delete option that I thought I saw previously, apparently is not available to me (anymore?)... There goes my perfect plan in the pants! :/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This was now discovered after uploading a new version of one of the logo-image files I had uploaded recently, and the new version of the image NOT being replaced into the location where the file is called... This is frustrating. ...when functionality apparently does not function as it is supposedly supposed to. Hm. :/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 06:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80773</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80773"/>
		<updated>2024-01-15T06:14:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Failures, Disappointments &amp;amp; Complaints&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename the highest-resolution version to &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo4.png&amp;quot;, re-upload it, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) (Only the highest-resolution version is required, since the ''Elite'' Wiki apparently has the capability to scale images.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The file-delete option that I thought I saw previously, apparently is not available to me (anymore?)... There goes my perfect plan in the pants! :/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This was now discovered after uploading a new version of one of the logo-image files I had uploaded recently, and the new version of the image NOT being replaced into the location where the file is called... This is frustrating. ...when functionality apparently does not function as it is supposedly supposed to. Hm. :/&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80763</id>
		<title>Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80763"/>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: 1st-person sentence -&amp;gt; 3rd person&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games do not seem to have had any significant brand-variations along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' logos and icons will also be included, but [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite+dangerous+logos&amp;amp;va=p&amp;amp;atb=v355-1&amp;amp;iax=images&amp;amp;ia=images ''Elite: Dangerous''] has an impractically-large amount of branding for the purposes of the simple historical-record intended here.&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.). However, the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down -- as if &amp;quot;quasi-[https://www.languagehumanities.org/what-is-a-chiastic-structure.htm chiastically]&amp;quot; in the central focal-point of the nine topic-sections -- he is briefly introduced... but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph; and in [https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15od2s/comment/c7qdaj8/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;amp;utm_term=1&amp;amp;utm_content=share_button David Braben's 2013 reddit ''Elite: Dangerous'' AMA], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of the original ''Elite'' logo. (The [https://mythology.net/mythical-creatures/griffin/ &amp;quot;Griffin thing&amp;quot;], as mentioned by Braben, as a supposed element of the ''Elite'' logo, is debatable, though.)&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click &amp;gt; Save Image As...) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
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16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
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12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
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Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Caveat &amp;amp; HowTo =&lt;br /&gt;
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The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot;, rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg originally-intended, '''best'''] version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward issue, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever guidelines might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore -- ''if in doubt'' -- it is safer, in terms of the preservation of the historical integrity of the ''Elite'' Wiki (although it also requires more work), to upload a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file under a correspondingly-new filename with the intention of replacing the old version on subsequent (and not previous, historical) wikipages. When a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following methodology is recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''HowTo'''&lt;br /&gt;
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On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and then the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink that is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Minitrue]-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme, although not implemented as yet, is also recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
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If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
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1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
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The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs.&lt;br /&gt;
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From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;ascending to the next level&amp;quot; (3D), &amp;quot;accelerating&amp;quot;, and then also &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were; c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover (even extending off-page), 1985 ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual's] title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;), all subtly communicate this repeated motif as well. In comparison with the other logos, and within itself, the 1991 ''Elite Plus'' simulator's logo also adds an extra, juxtaposed element of realism...&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2004&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Oolite-logo1.png|128px|Aegidian LiveJournal 100px x 100px userpic]]&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
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1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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2011&lt;br /&gt;
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2023&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
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The font used in-game is a custom, mono-spaced font. ''Oolite'' does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Branding</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games do not seem to have had any significant brand-variations along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' logos and icons will also be included, but [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite+dangerous+logos&amp;amp;va=p&amp;amp;atb=v355-1&amp;amp;iax=images&amp;amp;ia=images ''Elite: Dangerous''] has an impractically-large amount of branding for the purposes of the simple historical-record intended here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.). However, the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down -- as if &amp;quot;quasi-[https://www.languagehumanities.org/what-is-a-chiastic-structure.htm chiastically]&amp;quot; in the central focal-point of the nine topic-sections -- we are briefly introduced to him... but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph; and in [https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15od2s/comment/c7qdaj8/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;amp;utm_term=1&amp;amp;utm_content=share_button David Braben's 2013 reddit ''Elite: Dangerous'' AMA], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of the original ''Elite'' logo. (The [https://mythology.net/mythical-creatures/griffin/ &amp;quot;Griffin thing&amp;quot;], as mentioned by Braben, as a supposed element of the ''Elite'' logo, is debatable, though.)&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click &amp;gt; Save Image As...) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Caveat &amp;amp; HowTo =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot;, rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg originally-intended, '''best'''] version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward issue, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever guidelines might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore -- ''if in doubt'' -- it is safer, in terms of the preservation of the historical integrity of the ''Elite'' Wiki (although it also requires more work), to upload a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file under a correspondingly-new filename with the intention of replacing the old version on subsequent (and not previous, historical) wikipages. When a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following methodology is recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''HowTo'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and then the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink that is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Minitrue]-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme, although not implemented as yet, is also recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;ascending to the next level&amp;quot; (3D), &amp;quot;accelerating&amp;quot;, and then also &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were; c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover (even extending off-page), 1985 ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual's] title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;), all subtly communicate this repeated motif as well. In comparison with the other logos, and within itself, the 1991 ''Elite Plus'' simulator's logo also adds an extra, juxtaposed element of realism...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2004&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Oolite-logo1.png|128px|Aegidian LiveJournal 100px x 100px userpic]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2011&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2023&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom, mono-spaced font. ''Oolite'' does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>User2357</name></author>
		
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		<title>Branding</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-14T18:58:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Swapped Oolite and Frontier positions, for easier comparison between Elite and Oolite logos; + DB's reddit AMA hyperlink; further minor edits and hyperlinks; hyperlink to example of &amp;quot;originally-intended, best version of a file&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games do not seem to have had any significant brand-variations along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' logos and icons will also be included, but [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite+dangerous+logos&amp;amp;va=p&amp;amp;atb=v355-1&amp;amp;iax=images&amp;amp;ia=images ''Elite: Dangerous''] has an impractically-large amount of branding for the purposes of the simple historical-record intended here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.). However, the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down -- as if &amp;quot;quasi-[https://www.languagehumanities.org/what-is-a-chiastic-structure.htm chiastically]&amp;quot; in the central focal-point of the nine topic-sections -- we are briefly introduced to him... but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph; and in [https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15od2s/comment/c7qdaj8/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=web3x&amp;amp;utm_name=web3xcss&amp;amp;utm_term=1&amp;amp;utm_content=share_button David Braben's 2013 reddit ''Elite: Dangerous'' AMA], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of the original ''Elite'' logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click &amp;gt; Save Image As...) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Caveat &amp;amp; HowTo =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot;, rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg originally-intended, '''best'''] version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward issue, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever guidelines might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore -- ''if in doubt'' -- it is safer, in terms of the preservation of the historical integrity of the ''Elite'' Wiki (although it also requires more work), to upload a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file under a correspondingly-new filename with the intention of replacing the old version on subsequent (and not previous, historical) wikipages. When a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following methodology is recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''HowTo'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and then the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink that is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Minitrue]-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme, although not implemented as yet, is also recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;ascending to the next level&amp;quot; (3D), &amp;quot;accelerating&amp;quot;, and then also &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were; c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover (even extending off-page), 1985 ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual's] title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;), all subtly communicate this repeated motif as well. The 1991 ''Elite Plus'' simulator's logo also adds an extra, juxtaposed element of realism...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2004&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Oolite-logo1.png|128px|Aegidian LiveJournal 100px x 100px userpic]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2011&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2023&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Frontier'' ''' (for completeness)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom, mono-spaced font. ''Oolite'' does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Branding</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Clarified Caveat, indicated HowTo, +2004 Oolite-logo1 userpic, minor clarifications, extra hyperlinks, planned layout&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' logos and icons will also be included, but [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite+dangerous+logos&amp;amp;va=p&amp;amp;atb=v355-1&amp;amp;iax=images&amp;amp;ia=images ''Elite: Dangerous''] has an impractically-large amount of branding for the purposes of the simple historical-record intended here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.). However, the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Caveat &amp;amp; HowTo =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot;, rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the originally-intended, '''best''' version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward issue, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever guidelines might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore -- ''if in doubt'' -- it is safer, in terms of the preservation of the historical integrity of the ''Elite'' Wiki (although it also requires more work) to upload a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file under a correspondingly-new filename with the intention of replacing the old version on subsequent wikipages. When a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following methodology is recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''HowTo'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and then the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink that is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_in_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth Minitrue]-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme, although not implemented as yet, is also recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
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1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs. From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were, c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual's] title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;), all repeatedly communicate this subtle motif as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Frontier'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2004&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Oolite-logo1.png|128px|Aegidian LiveJournal 100px x 100px userpic]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2006&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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2006&lt;br /&gt;
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2011&lt;br /&gt;
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2023&lt;br /&gt;
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= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Branding</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games and ''Elite: Dangerous'' have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' and ''Elite: Dangerous'' logos and icons will also be included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the designer of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki as new version of the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Caveat =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The ''Elite'' Wiki allows the uploading of new versions of old files. However, &amp;quot;new version&amp;quot; should be defined and understood as &amp;quot;improved version&amp;quot; rather than &amp;quot;different version&amp;quot;, where &amp;quot;improved&amp;quot; could mean &amp;quot;increased resolution&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;more universally-applicable file format&amp;quot;, or other more subtle edits, in order to establish the originally-intended, '''best''' version of the file. Uploading a ''different'' version of an existing file causes that file to be replaced universally throughout the entire ''Elite'' Wiki -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: on the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page] the original, blue, 2006 logo had been replaced by the new, red, 2023 logo). This is not a black-and-white, easily-defined, well-behaved, simple and straight-forward situation, and there could, arguably, be many ambiguous scenarios and exceptions to whatever rules might have been imagined.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, when a &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; version of an existing file is considered for upload, the following guidelines are recommended. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter a known portion of the filename (e.g.: &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot;), click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name-hyperlink tat is associated with the desired thumbnail. Then, again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;, in order to determine where on which wikipages which hyperlinks or references would potentially need to be updated to a new filename, so that history pages will not unintentionally be Minitrue-redacted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme is recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Original Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''' ''Elite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by, and arranged according to their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
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1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
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The 1991 ArcElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs. From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were, c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual]'s title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;) all repeatedly communicate this subtle motif as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Frontier'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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1993&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- Elite II-logo1993 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1995&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 box art.jpg|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Frontier- First Encounters-logo1995 manual front cover.jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Oolite'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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''' ''Elite: Dangerous'' '''&lt;br /&gt;
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= Logos and Icons on the ''Elite'' Wiki =&lt;br /&gt;
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= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
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The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games and ''Elite: Dangerous'' have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' and ''Elite: Dangerous'' logos and icons will also be included.&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
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= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
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16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
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12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
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Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Caveat =&lt;br /&gt;
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The substitutions of the 2023, red logo-images and black-and-white icon-image under old filenames were apparently made in an attempt to reduce effort in replacing old hyperlinks on eight other wikipages with new filenames.&lt;br /&gt;
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The eight wikipages were discovered as follows. On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter &amp;quot;oolite-logo&amp;quot; or ''oolite-icon, click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name hyperlink associated with the desired thumbnail; again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, these 2023 substitutions have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki, hyperlinking to those old filenames, to refer to the 2023 logos and icon, in stead of their original versions -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]).&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a similar loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the few hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme is recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
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If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
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1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
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1991&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-1 ArcElite manual front cover.png|128px|ArcElite manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-2 ArcElite manual title page.png|128px|ArcElite manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1991-3 Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|Elite Plus UK box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GalCop-logo1991-4 Elite Plus manual.png|128px|Elite Plus manual]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tri-Alliance-logo1991-5 ArcElite manual.png|128px|ArcElite manual - Tri-Alliance logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
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The 1991 ArceElite manual title-page and 1984 manual front-cover logos seem to be the cleanest, for the purposes of using them as potential templates for future designs. From time to time, among the logos, there does seem to be a subtle motif of &amp;quot;breaking out of the frame&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transcending of boundaries&amp;quot;, as it were, c.f.: 1984 box art &amp;amp; ''The Dark Wheel'' front cover, and 1988 manual front-cover. The graphics for the [https://ia601304.us.archive.org/19/items/Elite_Plus_Manual/Elite_Plus_Manual_text.pdf 1991 ''Elite Plus'' manual]'s title page, Cobra Mk III (p. 13), ''Observer's Guide to Ships in Service'' (pp. 67 - 86), and the ''Imprint'' novella's title page (p. &amp;quot;87&amp;quot;) all repeatedly communicate this subtle motif as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
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The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
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= Introduction =&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games and ''Elite: Dangerous'' have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' and ''Elite: Dangerous'' logos and icons will also be included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Elite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= ''Oolite'' branding history =&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Caveat =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The substitutions of the 2023, red logo-images and black-and-white icon-image under old filenames were apparently made in an attempt to reduce effort in replacing old hyperlinks on eight other wikipages with new filenames.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The eight wikipages were discovered as follows. On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter &amp;quot;oolite-logo&amp;quot; or ''oolite-icon, click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name hyperlink associated with the desired thumbnail; again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, these 2023 substitutions have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki, hyperlinking to those old filenames, to refer to the 2023 logos and icon, in stead of their original versions -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a similar loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the few hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme is recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>User2357</name></author>
		
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80708</id>
		<title>Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80708"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T18:44:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Improved logo layout, according to year&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
== Introduction ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games and ''Elite: Dangerous'' have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' and ''Elite: Dangerous'' logos and icons will also be included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Elite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Oolite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Caveat ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The substitutions of the 2023, red logo-images and black-and-white icon-image under old filenames were apparently made in an attempt to reduce effort in replacing old hyperlinks on eight other wikipages with new filenames.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The eight wikipages were discovered as follows. On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter &amp;quot;oolite-logo&amp;quot; or ''oolite-icon, click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name hyperlink associated with the desired thumbnail; again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, these 2023 substitutions have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki, hyperlinking to those old filenames, to refer to the 2023 logos and icon, in stead of their original versions -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a similar loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the few hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme is recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1984&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1985&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1988&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some logos were originally designed skew by a few degrees anticlockwise. The original, skew versions are available from the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page]. For ease of comparison, and for streamlining this page's layout, only the upright-rotated logos are shown here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>User2357</name></author>
		
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80707</id>
		<title>Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80707"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T18:23:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Expanded intro, + '23 B&amp;amp;W Oolite icon, generalised caveat, started adding Elite logo-images&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
== Introduction ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to record and preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos, icons and fonts. [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] is very useful in this regard.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fonts came up from the OpenOffice documentation (Reference Sheet, etc.) that is distributed in PDF format. As soon as the PDFs were generated using open-source software only, it became apparent that the documents were based on fonts only available in Microsoft Windows operating systems. From that moment on, alternatives had to be found.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page focuses on ''Elite'' (and its descendant ''Oolite'') since (1) it is the origin of all the related brands, (2) and it has had a multitude of different versions, many of them introducing variations on the theme, while (3) the ''Frontier'' games and ''Elite: Dangerous'' have had relatively few brand-changes, if any, along the way. For completeness, though, the ''Frontier'' and ''Elite: Dangerous'' logos and icons will also be included.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Elite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but the ''Elite'' simulator would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Oolite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, and the new black-and-white version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-IconBW.png ''Oolite'' icon], all three uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb. The new, red logo was also incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Caveat ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The substitutions of the 2023, red logo-images and black-and-white icon-image under old filenames were apparently made in an attempt to reduce effort in replacing old hyperlinks on eight other wikipages with new filenames.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The eight wikipages were discovered as follows. On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter &amp;quot;oolite-logo&amp;quot; or ''oolite-icon, click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name hyperlink associated with the desired thumbnail; again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, these 2023 substitutions have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki, hyperlinking to those old filenames, to refer to the 2023 logos and icon, in stead of their original versions -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a similar loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all of the few hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. A similar, numbered naming-scheme is recommended for icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If an older logo (or icon) might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended (substitute &amp;quot;icon&amp;quot; in stead of &amp;quot;logo&amp;quot;, if required). Include old versions of files.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Logos and Icons =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''Elite'' logos have been sourced from box art, manual covers, half-title, title and other pages, and ''The Dark Wheel'''s front covers. It appears that other, minor media, included in any package, only have variations on the various themes in that package. The logos below are identified by their dates and usage of first appearance. Hover over the images for descriptions. Consult [https://frontierastro.co.uk/ FrontierAstro] to see how some of these logos have been re-used for different elements of various versions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg|128px|1984 box art &amp;amp; The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png|128px|1984 manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png|128px|1984 manual half-title page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp;amp; manual front cover.png|128px|1985 box art &amp;amp; manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png|128px|1985 Spectrum manual title-page]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|1985 The Dark Wheel front cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png|128px|1988 box art]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg|128px|1988 manual front-cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
= Fonts =&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The font used in-game is a custom monospaced font. Oolite does not work with Truetype or Freetype fonts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts in the documentation are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the website oolite.space are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the wiki are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The fonts used in the forum are ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Classic]][[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg&amp;diff=80706</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1988-3 manual front cover (rotated).jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1988-3_manual_front_cover_(rotated).jpg&amp;diff=80706"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T17:53:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1988-2_manual_front_cover_(original).png&amp;diff=80705</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1988-2 manual front cover (original).png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1988-2_manual_front_cover_(original).png&amp;diff=80705"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T17:52:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1988-1_box_art.png&amp;diff=80704</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1988-1 box art.png</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-11T17:52:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-4_The_Dark_Wheel_front_cover_(rotated).jpg&amp;diff=80703</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1985-4 The Dark Wheel front cover (rotated).jpg</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-11T17:51:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-3_The_Dark_Wheel_front_cover_(original).png&amp;diff=80702</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1985-3 The Dark Wheel front cover (original).png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-3_The_Dark_Wheel_front_cover_(original).png&amp;diff=80702"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T17:51:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-2_Spectrum_manual_title_page.png&amp;diff=80701</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1985-2 Spectrum manual title page.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-2_Spectrum_manual_title_page.png&amp;diff=80701"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T17:50:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>File:Elite-logo1985-1 box art &amp; manual front cover.png</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1985-1_box_art_%26_manual_front_cover.png&amp;diff=80700"/>
		<updated>2024-01-11T17:49:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=File:Elite-logo1984-3_manual_half-title_page.png&amp;diff=80699</id>
		<title>File:Elite-logo1984-3 manual half-title page.png</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-11T17:48:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>File:Elite-logo1984-2 manual front cover.png</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-11T17:47:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>File:Elite-logo1984-1 box art &amp; The Dark Wheel front cover.jpg</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-11T17:46:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: &lt;/p&gt;
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80688</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-10T17:02:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Italicised Elite combat rating =&amp;gt; emphasis, not the simulator itself&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, italics might also be used for emphasis referring to an Elite combat rating, but this fourth distinct meaning should be clear from the context within which it is applied.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style. It seems as if such distinctions might lend some greater credibility to an author, by indicating that they are actually aware of the subtleties of the various contexts within which they operate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While we're considering upper and lower cases, and ship make and model names... An anaconda is a snake, but an Anaconda is a type of spaceship in GalCop Space. (Just as it is not a mazda mx-5, but a Mazda MX-5.) For consistency, it is recommended that all ship-types (and models) should be identified by initial capitals, even non-animal-types, e.g.: Mk I, Mk II, Mk III, Star Boat, (Orbit) Shuttle, Warship, Robot Fighter, Transporter, Interceptor, etc. ('Star Boat' seems to be a derivation of 'spaceship', and should therefore, ideally, also have been a single word 'Starboat', but decades of misspelling have now made it what it is.) ... However, Fer de Lance, not Fer De Lance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80685</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80685"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T15:14:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Fer de Lance; not Fer De Lance&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style. It seems as if such distinctions might lend some greater credibility to an author, by indicating that they are actually aware of the subtleties of the various contexts within which they operate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While we're considering upper and lower cases, and ship make and model names... An anaconda is a snake, but an Anaconda is a type of spaceship in GalCop Space. (Just as it is not a mazda mx-5, but a Mazda MX-5.) For consistency, it is recommended that all ship-types (and models) should be identified by initial capitals, even non-animal-types, e.g.: Mk I, Mk II, Mk III, Star Boat, (Orbit) Shuttle, Warship, Robot Fighter, Transporter, Interceptor, etc. ('Star Boat' seems to be a derivation of 'spaceship', and should therefore, ideally, also have been a single word 'Starboat', but decades of misspelling have now made it what it is.) ... However, Fer de Lance, not Fer De Lance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80684</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80684"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T15:02:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Should &amp;quot;grammar nazism&amp;quot; be capitalised? ;p&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style. It seems as if such distinctions might lend some greater credibility to an author, by indicating that they are actually aware of the subtleties of the various contexts within which they operate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While we're considering upper and lower cases, and ship make and model names... An anaconda is a snake, but an Anaconda is a type of spaceship in GalCop Space. (Just as it is not a mazda mx-5, but a Mazda MX-5.) For consistency, it is recommended that all ship-types (and models) should be identified by initial capitals, even non-animal-types, e.g.: Mk I, Mk II, Mk III, Star Boat, (Orbit) Shuttle, Warship, Robot Fighter, Transporter, Interceptor, etc. ('Star Boat' seems to be a derivation of 'spaceship', and should therefore, ideally, also have been a single word 'Starboat', but decades of misspelling have now made it what it is.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80681</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80681"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T12:30:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Added a subtle remark regarding subtleties of context&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style. It seems as if such distinctions might lend some greater credibility to an author, by indicating that they are actually aware of the subtleties of the various contexts within which they operate.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80680</id>
		<title>EliteWiki talk:Manual of Style</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=EliteWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style&amp;diff=80680"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T10:46:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: 3 different styles of writing &amp;quot;elite&amp;quot; for 3 different contexts&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''Shortcut: ET:MOS and EW:MOST redirects here''&amp;lt;/br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== élite vs. Elite vs. ''Elite'' ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first, with the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;, refers to a superior (group of) person(s). This may be written with an initial lower-case &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second, without the acute diacritic on the first &amp;quot;E&amp;quot;, refers to the GalCop Combat-Rating, and is always written with at least an initial capital, as defined in the original, 1984 ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual'' (SBG38/B1), pp. 9 - 10.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since there is also a third possible meaning within this present context, it is suggested that all references to the ''Elite'' simulator (whether IRL or in-universe, or however else it might be interpreted) should be italicised, and also always written with an initial capital, as the proper brand-name of the simulator. It is recommended that this distinction be applied to all other proper brand-names and their abbreviations as well: ''Frontier: Elite 2'' (''FE2''), ''Frontier: First Encounters'' (''FFE''), ''ArcElite'', ''Elite Plus'', ''Elite -- The New Kind'' (''E-TNK''), ''Oolite'', ''Elite: Dangerous'' (''E:D''), etc.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is recommended that these distinctions be included in the ''Elite'' Wiki's Manual of Style.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 10:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ulite Namespace ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Folks, I've moved all the Ulite pages to be prefixed with Ulite. I've copied the convention used by this category.... http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Category:Oolite_JavaScript_Reference&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since it's fairly obscure stuff, I didn't think it was fair to take titles such as &amp;quot;Documentation&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Overview&amp;quot;. Some of the other pages had (Ulite) at the end of them. --[[User:Psylem|Psylem]] 14:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Is this supposed to be there? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this supposed to be there? or is this more spam? doesn't sound like a style manual to me!&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Lukjad007|lukjad007]] Agreed. This looks more like an add then a manual on how stuff should be written.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Diederick|Diederick]] agrees as well. Who wrote the original style manual? Can (s)he confirm this is spam?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80679</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80679"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T09:35:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Streamlining the plan&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
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My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
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But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
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I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
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If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
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Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
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How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename the highest-resolution version to &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo4.png&amp;quot;, re-upload it, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) (Only the highest-resolution version is required, since the ''Elite'' Wiki apparently has the capability to scale images.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80670</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80670"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T07:27:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: I forgot to sign my last edit/update :&amp;quot;)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
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How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
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 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
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 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename them to ''Oolite''-logo4-128.png and ''Oolite''-logo4-256.png, respectively, re-upload them, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) &lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 07:27, 10 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80669</id>
		<title>Branding</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-10T06:54:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Improved Caveat&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
== Introduction ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos and icons.&lt;br /&gt;
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== ''Elite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but it would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
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== ''Oolite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
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16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
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12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
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Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, both uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb, and incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Caveat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The substitutions of the 2023, red logo-images under old filenames were apparently made in an attempt to reduce effort in replacing old hyperlinks on five other wikipages with new filenames.&lt;br /&gt;
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The five wikipages were discovered as follows. On an ordinary ''Elite'' wikipage, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Special pages&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;Media reports and uploads&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;File list&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;Search for media name&amp;quot; search box, enter &amp;quot;oolite-logo&amp;quot;, click the &amp;quot;Include old versions of files&amp;quot; tick-box and the &amp;quot;Go&amp;quot; button; then click the name hyperlink associated with the desired thumbnail; again, in the left-hand margin, under &amp;quot;tools&amp;quot; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;What links here&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, these 2023 substitutions have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki, hyperlinking to those old filenames, to refer to the 2023, red logos, in stead of their original, blue logos -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]).&lt;br /&gt;
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Therefore, in an attempt (1) to prevent a similar loss of the commOonity's heritage on ''Elite'' Wiki history pages, and (2) to facilitate easier searching for older logo-versions, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to, and uploaded under filenames conforming to the established naming-scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence, and that all hyperlinks throughout the ''Elite'' wiki be updated accordingly. It is recommended that only a single, highest-resolution logo-image be uploaded, since the ''Elite'' Wiki has the functionality to scale the logo images: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:oolite-logo#.png|196px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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If an older logo might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=Oolite-logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended. (Include old versions of files.)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80668</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
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		<updated>2024-01-10T06:06:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Please let me execute my Plan to fix this... :D&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
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Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
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My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
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But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
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I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
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If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
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Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
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What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
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How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Our past wiki-wizards were [[User:Winston|Winston]] (who set this up as the &amp;quot;Elite Wiki&amp;quot; back in the days before Oolite - hence our all-inclusive [[Main Page]] - and who still pays for it) and [[User:Maik|Maik]]. Both are programmers and both ''understand'' it. I merely have learned how to do a few things with it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb (also a programmer) uploaded the new logo into the &amp;quot;name-space&amp;quot; (if that is what it is) of the old. So every use of the old was replaced automatically by the use of the new without needing to manually tweak each and every one of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Use of dates on history-tab pages'''&lt;br /&gt;
 I ''presume'' that (on the logo's &amp;quot;file:&amp;quot; page) clicking on the ''old'' date gives you the ''old'' logo file which you can then download and re-upload with a new name.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Notice the use of brackets in linking.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 '''Single brackets''' for website pages. Uses a ''space'' ( ) to rename&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Double brackets''' for wiki pages (avoids the little icon and avoids need for entire web address). Uses a ''pipe'' (|) to rename.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 And you can do other things with pipes (in linking to User: pages). And with colons (in linking to Category: pages).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 '''Dealing with &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; pages can be complex.'''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 The [[:Category:Lore]] page has sub-categories. And a linked [[Lore]] wiki page which appears at the top of the page list, not in the alphabetical ordering. ''If you examine the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; tags on each of those linked pages you should be able to work out how all this was done.''&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 Note that the addition of the colon to Category:Lore (-&amp;gt; :Category:Lore) immediately above. That prevents this talk page also being tagged with the Lore category and merely links to that page instead.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 You might find it helpful to browse the [[Special:Categories|list of categories]] and try and make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
 [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] seems to have spent quite some time pruning the categories to make more sense. I've not done so as I don't yet feel that I have the knowledge to do a decent job.&lt;br /&gt;
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 The point of these pages seems to be &amp;quot;easy&amp;quot; indexing - where you include a page in an index by merely tagging it, rather than having to manually update an index each time the page changes (as would need to be done with my various manually collated lists of relevant OXPs dotted around this wiki).&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 10:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Proposal: I am willing to delete the new, red logo image-files from the ''Elite'' Wiki, rename them to ''Oolite''-logo4-128.png and ''Oolite''-logo4-256.png, respectively, re-upload them, and then edit and replace every single last little hyperlink to ''Oolite''-logo2.png and ''Oolite''-logo3.png in the '''entire''' ''Elite'' Wiki -- on all of five ''other'' hyperlinking wikipages. ;) &lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo2.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo2.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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[https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Oolite-logo3.png Pages that link to ''Oolite''-logo3.png]&lt;br /&gt;
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Howzat? Would this be acceptable to all? :)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Then we would be able show all the historical logo-images on this Branding page as well, in stead of merely hyperlinking to the source-file pages. :D )&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80667"/>
		<updated>2024-01-10T05:41:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Improved hyperlinking; added Caveat&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
== Introduction ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos and icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Elite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but it would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
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== ''Oolite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [[User:Aegidian|Aegidian]]'s [[Aegidian_devlog|''Oolite'' (progress)]] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, both uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki under the old filenames six days later by Phkb, and incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Caveat: These substitutions of new, red logos into old filenames (in an apparent attempt to reduce effort in replacing five individual, old references with new filenames) have caused ''all'' references in the ''Elite'' Wiki to those old filenames now to refer to the new, red logos, in stead of their original, blue logos -- even on old, &amp;quot;history&amp;quot; pages of ''Elite'' wikipages (e.g.: the very first, 05:22, 14 February 2006 version of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite_Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=3181 ''Oolite'' Main Page]). If an older logo might be required for any purpose, the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Special:ListFiles?limit=1000&amp;amp;ilsearch=Oolite-logo&amp;amp;user=&amp;amp;ilshowall=1 &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo&amp;quot; File list search-page] is recommended. (Include old versions of files.) Also, for this purpose, it is recommended that future, new-logo designs be named according to the established naming scheme of &amp;quot;''Oolite''-logo#&amp;quot;, where # is the next number in the sequence.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80647</id>
		<title>Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Branding&amp;diff=80647"/>
		<updated>2024-01-08T05:36:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Elite Wiki timestamps universalised&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Oolite-logo3.png|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
== Introduction ==&lt;br /&gt;
This page attempts to preserve the historical heritage of ''Elite''/''Oolite'' branding, specifically in terms of logos and icons.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Elite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
1984... [[Classic_Elite|Elite]]... [[David Braben]], [[Ian Bell]], [[Robert Holdstock]], and... Philip Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first three names were responsible for the programming and the documentation ([http://www.elitehomepage.org/playguide.htm ''Elite'' Players' Guide]; [https://archive.org/details/elite_acornsoft_manual/mode/1up?view=theater ''The Space Trader's Flight Training Manual''] and [https://openretro.org/file/ec43acc68931c84951a13b6285ed4ccd64b5b787 ''The Dark Wheel''], Stock Code Numbers for the latter: SBG38/B1 and SBG38/B3, respectively, etc.), but it would probably not have had such a successful market-entrance had it not been for the fourth gentleman's eye-catching skills as an airbrush artist.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On the [https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html &amp;quot;FrontierAstro ''Elite'' - Various Items&amp;quot;] page, approximately halfway down, we are briefly introduced to him, but his work is pretty much everywhere on that page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On [http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/ Ian Bell's website], in the ''Elite'' Archives, in the file [http://www.elitehomepage.org/archive/a4120001.png a4120001.png], the &amp;quot;DECEMBER 1984&amp;quot; Acorn News report (scan), in the second column, third paragraph, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Castle Philip Castle] is authoritatively identified as the originator of ''Elite'' branding.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== ''Oolite'' branding history ==&lt;br /&gt;
7 April 2004, [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/User:Aegidian Aegidian's] [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Aegidian_devlog ''Oolite'' (progress)] [https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile LiveJournal] introduced the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo1.png ''Oolite'' userpic], which can be downloaded from that [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite page] (right-click, &amp;quot;Save Image As...&amp;quot;) as a 100 pixels x 100 pixels .png image.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:15, 3 January 2006, Rxke apparently uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki a 128 x 128 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png ''Oolite'' logo] version of the userpic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:57, 7 May 2011, Ahruman uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki the 256 x 256 [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png &amp;quot;New (2011) ''Oolite'' icon&amp;quot;] by Eugene Chernyakov (seventh).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:39 am, on the ''Oolite'' Bulletin Boards, in the Discussion forum, the [http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;amp;t=21464 &amp;quot;New splash screen and icon&amp;quot;] thread was posted by phkb, in which was suggested that the ''Oolite'' splash screen and icon had been around for a while now, and it was proposed that they were about due for a refresh. This discussion led to the new, red versions of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo2.png 128 x 128] and [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/File:Oolite-logo3.png 256 x 256] logo-images, both uploaded to the ''Elite'' Wiki six days later by Phkb, and incorporated in the official [https://oolite.space/ oolite.space] website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Oolite]][[Category:Factual]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80646</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80646"/>
		<updated>2024-01-08T04:32:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Fonts?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
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Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
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My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
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Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
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But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
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:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
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If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
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Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hiran, in your original post of the Branding wikipage, you mentioned fonts... Which fonts did you have in mind? Where can those be obtained?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80645</id>
		<title>Talk:Branding</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Talk:Branding&amp;diff=80645"/>
		<updated>2024-01-08T04:28:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;User2357: Recommendation to rename red-logo filenames&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Would it possible to attach all previous logos, icons, fonts ''etc''. to this page, or, at least, hyperlink on this page to repositories of all previous resource materials (with associated dates of having been in use, and record of first introduction/reveal) in this regard? Would it be possible to have this page be the dated, historical record of ''Oolite'' branding development and progression?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Example: [https://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=oolite ''Oolite (progress)'' LiveJournal Userpic] 2004apr07tue - ??? ([https://oolite.livejournal.com/profile proof of start-date])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My concern is that even on the initial 2006-01-03T18:26:46 post of the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php?title=Oolite&amp;amp;oldid=1294 ''Oolite''] wikipage, the original, blue logo (in use at the time of the initial posting of that page) has now been replaced by the new, red logo.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let not our origins be forgotten, as happens to the location of Old Earth in GalCop Space! ...nor as happened during the [https://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Great_Deletion Great Deletion].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for your consideration of this request.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
Thy eminence,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Phkb uploaded the new logo with the name of the old.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But. If you ''look'' at the ''pages'' with the files on them (if that is the correct description) you will see that the original is still there, somehow: [[:File:Oolite-logo3.png]] &amp;amp; [[:File:Oolite-logo2.png]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite my supposed wizardly capabilities, I know not how to emblazon Seventh's original logo on another page here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I beg, sir, to remain yours ''etc''.,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:''Cholmondeley 21:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Woo-hoo! Yee-Haw! Yippee-hi-ho-kah-yay! :D I thought those files had been lost. Thank you, Commander Cholmondeley. I'm no wiki-wizard either, but I'll have a go at it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I understand correctly, could the new, red-logo filenames perhaps be renamed differently, so that they do not clash with the original, blue-logo filenames, and, thus, hopefully, restore the blue logos on historical pages where they belong, and add the red ones to new pages? ...or am I not grasping the full complexity of the situation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commander Cholmondeley, on the Branding wikipage, you refer to File:Oosat 1.png, File:Oosat 2.png, and http://s248731467.onlinehome.us/ ... I agree that Oosat 2.png seems to be logoless, but it also seems to me to be unclear whether the Oosat site/pages were ever supposed to have any official ''Oolite'' logos in the first place that might require preservation. Oosat 1.png has an Elite Wiki logo in the bottom, left-hand corner, but I don't think that's what we're looking for...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, on the Dizzy's ''Oolite'' Installers download page, that logo seems somewhat less &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, and might merely have been one that Dizzy designed for their own, personal purposes on their own, personal website; not necessarily to represent the ''Oolite'' comOonity as a whole. It does not seem as if it was ever a logo to be considered for display on any official ''Oolite'' website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What I have in mind, is the preservation of the original logo(s) that Aegidian designed, and used on his websites/pages, and which might be more-closely compared to the ''Elite'' insignia designed by Philip Castle ([https://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Files/elite_misc.html]). The new, red logo seems to follow this tradition rather nicely, and, since the commOonity was consulted on the ''Oolite'' bulletin boards, and the red logo was incorporated on the official ''Oolite''.space website, I would think that few would argue against the red logo's right to preservation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Attempting to preserve a file for every single ''Oolite'' logo out there, might not be practical and exhaustible/exhaustive; there will always be another one that we haven't included yet, and that is simply just more frustration than I am willing to sign up for. ...But ''official'' logos from original media... now those I'm willing to hunt down to the ends of the Earth. (...says I, not knowing what I'm getting myself into...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'll have to speak to my landlord regarding letting you be mine. He's not big on pets. Perhaps I can persuade him to let you stay in the basement. ''etc''. ;p (How am I ever to top such wonderfully-flowery language?)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would recommend that the two resolutions of the new, red logo be renamed Oolite-logo4-128.png and Oolite-logo4-256.png respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How to get the Elite Wiki to display those, though, in stead of Oolite-logo3.png... I  wouldn't know.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:User2357|User2357]] ([[User talk:User2357|talk]]) 04:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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